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Using cannabis for insomnia - is it more powerful than, Melatonin/Chamomile/Valerian?

Darksidesam

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I find weed (and CBD) weirdly stimulating at higher dosages and my mind is racing fast af. Lower dosages help better, especially if you're not used to things like benzos.
depends on the strain though right?
All sativas seem to stimulate my mind and can keep me awake where as indica is like tucking me into bed and i just relax better
 

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Cannabis is great for GETTING to sleep.... but it actually disrupts sleep cycles and prevents REM sleep just like alcohol (but to a lower degree).. Low quality sleep.

Ever wonder why you don't dream if you smoke weed before bed?....

In terms of 'sleep aids' it's really harmless, but it's definitely not giving you the best quality sleep like a healthy lifestyle can.
 

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Cannabis is great for GETTING to sleep.... but it actually disrupts sleep cycles and prevents REM sleep just like alcohol (but to a lower degree).. Low quality sleep.

Ever wonder why you don't dream if you smoke weed before bed?....

In terms of 'sleep aids' it's really harmless, but it's definitely not giving you the best quality sleep like a healthy lifestyle can.
Very Strain dependant for me that one and maybe others too, my biggest issue with insomnia is falling asleep can take me 2-3 hours unassisted and i find a sativa dominant strain can actually keep me awake for up to 4 before falling asleep
When i chopped my northern lights grow before i slept every single night for the first month which has never happened in my life
 

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Hmm i haven't tried many strains, but the ones i did were for sleep related purposes (higher in CBD too) and they still make my thoughts racy. i think its up to every genetics.
 

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Hmm i haven't tried many strains, but the ones i did were for sleep related purposes (higher in CBD too) and they still make my thoughts racy. i think its up to every genetics.
hey again so I am writing this after trying something last night, i used to take CBD oil years back from dutch natural healing and i would take many drops at once before bed so i assume a high dose of CBD 50mg+ , and it would help me to fall asleep
I just tried last night to vape a strain thats meant to be 22% CBD and <0.3% THC for sleep and used the same tactic, just do loads at once (i vaped just under 400mg: = approx 70mg CBD and it really did help me to fall asleep my racing thoughts slowed down a lot it knocked me out a bit like an anti psychotic did , bit groggy at first when i woke up but feeling awake within 15 minutes
 
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I have chronic mild insomnia with the occasional sleepless night but more typically 3-7 hours of sleep. Always had trouble getting to sleep, and after 25 years of age developed a tendency to awake prematurely aswell.

Cannabis helps me fall asleep, but doesn't keep me from awaking prematurely. Also it seems to suppress REM sleep*, likely resulting in a less complete or less efficient rest. Can't say i've noticed a huge difference either way compared to sobriety, however. Probably it gives me around 1 extra hour of sleep, but lower sleep quality evens it out. I use cannabis for recreational purposes and not for sleep, although the daydreamy* hypnagogic and knockout effect from large doses is a big part of the recreational value for me.

Overall i find the medical potential of cannabis to be overestimated, likely in a collective subconscious attempt to justify using. To me, recreational drug use doesn't need justification.

Melatonin works great for me, both for adjusting the sleep cycle and for sleeping longer. This thread made me consider getting some melatonin again.

*It's almost like cannabis enables you to dream awake, at the expense of dreaming asleep.
 
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i think the main bonus of weed mainly high doses of CBD weed it seems (im going to experiment with some CBN) is falling asleep . Not many pills help me to even fall asleep id need at least 20mg diazepam (and i have no tolerance to that i dont take it anymore) i would consider my insomnia worse than mild as well
 

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Does it really help?
I believe it really depends on the user. some people like tired of crap above you, don't really find it that helpful as a sleep aid because of the mental effects (racing thoughts, psychedelic quality). some say it also depends on the strain, but you see that there is no absolute answer here.

I lie somewhere in the middle, sometimes it makes me sleepy, sometimes it keeps me awake. not a reliable sleep aid for me.
 
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