• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest Posting RulesBluelight Rules
  • PD Moderators: Cream Gravy? | Transform | Vastness | Xorkoth
  • Bluelight HOT THREADS
  • Let's Welcome Our NEW MEMBERS!

☠ WARNING ☠ *WARNING* Chronic ketamine/dissociative use causes bladder/organ damage

AutoTripper

Bluelighter
Joined
Feb 28, 2019
Messages
7,144
So I’ve gotta say I feel like I’m stuck... Since this thread I’ve essentially lowered and now basically quit the drug except for very odd occasions. Before I was using small doses 1-2 times a month for the AD effects.

I’m really starting to miss how life felt with the odd dose of K in my life.

My thoughts are, will different ROA’s give different bladder damage results? The dosages vary greatly between insufflated and IV, I’m curious if less damage would be dealt to my poor bladder if I were to IV a similar amount effects wise to insufflated.

I have no worries of this becoming a problem, I’ve IV’ed Ketamine a few times in the past, I just want to get the same 1-2 week long AD effects with minimal damage.

-GC
I think you did see my post somewhere, where I was openly thinking on this, asking the question- are bladder ket issues significantly linked to the common ROA, i.e. insufflation, based on my experience and acquired knowledge that the sinuses serve as a clearing route directly into the urinary tract.

Or it could be mega acid ph altering of the gut and Urinary system.

I felt there had to be a chance IV may potentially significantly reduce this unfortunate side effect, but @TripSitterNZ does his homewok and knows his drugs well, saying IV can still cause bladder problems.

However I am definitely with him that moderate use of 1-2 times per month really should not be a threat in this regard I don't think.

I took ketamine fairly frequently for over 2 years without developing any apparent problems or side effects it was the people I knew who snorted 12g everyday one at a time who were developing these problems until I saw it on Jeremy Kyle many years later but it really seems to be much more more prone with with heavy prolonged daily dosage.

Could you use 3-meo-pcp? Or similar? Excuse my drug naivety if that is an absurd suggestion I'm sure you are aware of your alternative options.

Hope you are okay bro @G_Chem anyway.
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
Getting semi drunk first

All that does is makes me more drunk, I drank before then done K when I was sniffing it daily and the room started spinning and the K wasn't any stronger lol

People always say don't mix with benzos because it dulls the experience, but the diazepam leaflet literally tells you not to mix with ketamine because diazepam increase the effects of ketamine lol.

I did try this when I only had a couple of lines left, I was addicted to benzos at the time so crushed up some vallies and mixed it with the K and it felt stronger to me, but then I got told it weakens it so thought I was just wrong at the time lol

Combine it with order drugs.

If I do it after uppers it kicks my ass, if I do it at a rave I end up either in a K hole or tettering on the edge of one lol, but I don't want to do uppers at home, I only do them in clubs where I don't do K, I do one or the other now lol, depending on what music it is

Haven't got any nitrous but that would be cool lol, I've had that in clubs on uppers, not tried it on K though

DPH (diphenhyramine, aka nytol, aka tesco own extra strength sleep aids, aka boots SLEEPEEZE) also potentiates K nicely. Easily available OTC for a few quid. Just don't go over 200mg of dph lol

Oh no not DPH wouldn't that cause a nightmare K hole lol that's a dark trip that stuff, never done it but I hear its some dark nightmarish stuff to take to much off, people take it to trip a dark shadow people type scary trip

I might try a normal dose of it before K next time, can't afford any till next week anyway

Its fucking shit I either can't afford it or if I can afford it I get moaned at for doing it by my 17 year old son, and it's lockdown so it's hard to sneak about or try and do it at home in decent amounts fucksake
 

Captain.Heroin

Bluelight Crew
Joined
Nov 3, 2008
Messages
94,926
Location
Thousands of Miles Away From You
@Flower Fairy yeah its kinda funny apart from the fact that I'd stabbed into and through the other side of one my main veins repeatedly in different spots enough times to collapse it permanently 😐 RIP left bicep vein.

Don't do it. It's not how you'd imagine it'd be.
If you NEED your K to hit harder here's what I recommend. In my experience over the years...
Plugging it
OR
Getting semi drunk first
Being sleep deprived by at least 1 night when you do your first line, the longer you are awake the better
Combine it with order drugs. Being high on pregabs first works really well. Hitting some nitrous as you are peaking is an excellent way to take the fast road to the k-hole. People always say don't mix with benzos because it dulls the experience, but the diazepam leaflet literally tells you not to mix with ketamine because diazepam increase the effects of ketamine lol. I don't recommend benzos in general though really. DPH (diphenhyramine, aka nytol, aka tesco own extra strength sleep aids, aka boots SLEEPEEZE) also potentiates K nicely. Easily available OTC for a few quid. Just don't go over 200mg of dph lol

Alcohol or sleep dep works the best really. But you have plenty of options before turning to the needle
Back when i could only afford grams at a time, if I knew I was going to score on Friday weds n Thurs night I would stay awake and on my way back from scoring I would literally force 8 cans of Stella down my neck, before getting home and racking up.
Half the time I'd wake up with half a wrap left. Whereas if i was sober that wrap would have been gone in a couple hours max and me sat wanting more.

It's also really good/stronger on the comedown of mdma or acid but I understand not everyone has the time for that lol


Admin: I know some advice here isn't exactly harm reduction but it is when I'm using it to deter people from turning to the needle
Oh man some people think alcohol DULLS ketamine. I URGE ANYONE to realize the combo is INTENSE, SURREAL, PSYCHEDELIC, EXTREME. Unsafe. Generally unsafe. Don't do it. Basically it's not for most people.

It's very intense. You don't want to do something like that without ACTIVE TOLERANCE to BOTH compounds. For sake of harm reduction. Know your limits. Don't just dive into it. "Do as I say not as I do" sort of thing. I have some crazy stories from the combo. I've seen what it does to other people without a tolerance.

I took ketamine fairly frequently for over 2 years without developing any apparent problems or side effects it was the people I knew who snorted 12g everyday one at a time who were developing these problems
WHUH...WHAT??? 12 GRAMS EVERY DAY? WHAT? I'm horrified.
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
@Captain.Heroin I'm not drinking before K ever, I rarely drink anyway and when I had a daily K habit last year I drank then had some K and all it done was made me more drunk and the horrible room spinning I'm going to puke type drunk and I still didn't feel the K
 

TripSitterNZ

Bluelighter
Joined
May 6, 2019
Messages
6,022
Location
The Dimension of LSD-25
Me and my friends drunk a huge amount of whiskey between the three of us and finished half a gram of ket with weed during the night. None of us passed out but it was a fucking intense trip for sure sooo fucking good oo and mdma ontop of it. I had no tolerance to weed alochol or the ket. In some countries Ketamine is done only ever with drinking crazy amounts that would probably kill most white people.
 

Captain.Heroin

Bluelight Crew
Joined
Nov 3, 2008
Messages
94,926
Location
Thousands of Miles Away From You
@Captain.Heroin I'm not drinking before K ever, I rarely drink anyway and when I had a daily K habit last year I drank then had some K and all it done was made me more drunk and the horrible room spinning I'm going to puke type drunk and I still didn't feel the K
OH man, like, I really got into the combo, with no tolerance to either compound. I am bad. I know it. I do these things to myself and worry about it later. But when I'd hit the spot just right with dosing, and come to, I'd be horribly nauseous. Yes you puke throughout the experience. Yes you might aspirate on vomit if too incapacitated and die easily. I am an idiot for doing things like this, I am not smart I am stupid. This should be known.

If you're out with friends at a club, I mean like, I won't stop you? I can't? But I wouldn't. One or the other is way better for most people. It really is.
 

Vastness

Moderator: PD
Staff member
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
2,191
Location
iterating through cyclic eternities
I would strongly, strongly advise against doing ketamine in combination with alcohol while out - at a club or elsewhere. I know loads of people do it, I have done it too and K-holed in some very inconvenient places, but IMO ketamine is not an outdoor drug... except perhaps in very, very low doses, and again NOT in combination with alcohol because you will be overwhelmingly more likely to overshoot the dose.

Honestly I don't even think the combination is that great anywhere because the amnesiac effects will be massively increased. If you don't remember the experience, what's the point? Personally the psychedelic aspect of ketamine is one of the biggest draws for me and alcohol will significantly dull this. Obviously the dangers of aspirating vomit also do apply, but again, if you're so drunk you're in danger of vomiting you're also way too drunk for ketamine to add anything good to the experience.

A small amount of alcohol, say a few beers and a few small lines of ketamine if you're experienced with both and in a safe, controlled environment, on the other hand... sure, this can be fun and can be done reasonably safely.

Beyond that, it's just a waste of ketamine, waste of your health, and potentially slightly dangerous to very dangerous, like doing ketamine in the bathtub which many people also like to do for absolutely inexplicable reasons despite the fact that plenty of people have died doing this.

Addendum, stay well away from any bodies of water, even shallow ones like baths when on ketamine. No, you are not experienced enough to do this safely. Just don't do it.
 

jhjhsdi

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
5,502
Location
Urology Department
Yeah I did say semi drunk not paroletic lol. A few beers or ciders, at home.
I've made the mistake a few times I'm sure I've typed it on this thread maybe another, but I got hit by a car blacked out on vodka+ket didn't even realize until the morning, lost numerous phones/wallets/sets of keys etc

@Flower Fairy 200mg of dph won't send u to shadow people land u need a good 400-1000mg. 50mg is the suggested dose. 200mg is strongly sedating. 250mg on the other hand becomes stimulating, hence why I said don't go over 200. It just makes K stronger.

@Captain.Heroin u think 12g a day is bad at one point I was doing 20 a day lol one day I did 36 in a day 🐴 I am fucked up though 😂😂😂 NOT ADVISED PEEPS I NEARLY LOST MY BLADDER AND ENDED UP IN REHAB
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
Yeah I know it is but back then I just wanted to put a twist on the K that wasn't working and make the lines bigger as I love sniffing K but didn't have much left, it made big ol'yellow K lines lol
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
Yeah I did say semi drunk not paroletic lol. A few beers or ciders, at home.

I only had 2 drinks, but I poured the pink gin and because it was a big glass I poured to much gin, but if I'd drank that amount without K I'd of just been tipsy, adding K onto a tipsy me was fucking horrible

I just love my K full of K, not watered down with alcohol etc, people have offered me lines of CK1 in the past and I'm like don't fucking pollute my K with coke it's fucking sacrilege, just give me a line without the shitty coke in it please lol
 

Vastness

Moderator: PD
Staff member
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
2,191
Location
iterating through cyclic eternities
I love the combination of coke and ketamine personally. 😁 I'm sure it's terrible for you but from a purely hedonistic perspective it's very enjoyable.

I try not to use cocaine hardly at all anymore because IMO it's an evil drug, way too expensive, bad for your heart, just not nearly as good in reality as it is addictive... but when I do I have always previously tried to make sure to have some K on hand to smooth out the comedown, IMO it works like nothing else for this.

If I've had both around but been having a solo ketamine session I've also added a line or 2 of cocaine just to add a little flavour and also as a potent decongestant if my nose was getting too clogged... again, absolutely terrible for your nose I'm sure. Socially, if I happen to have both I'd do the opposite, occasionally add a little K to soften some of the negative effects of cocaine and add a touch of dissociative euphoria to the fairly mundane after a while but obviously fun cocaine feeling.

Again though... I'm sure it's really not good for you, probably adds to both the cardiotoxicity of cocaine and undesirable neurological changes of both drugs... although if you don't use either very often, I think using just a little ketamine to blunt the cocaine comedown is probably not too harmful, except that it can become a habit in itself and can make you think you can use large amounts of cocaine with basically no downside as long as you have some ketamine on hand... at least that was my experience.
 

jhjhsdi

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
5,502
Location
Urology Department
@Vastness I'm exactly the same when it comes to cK in every aspect of what you just typed, opinion, experiences etc

Used to smash it every day at one point

But now there's defo a time and a place
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
I was with a coke head for 5 years, the first 4 and a half years of that I done coke every weekend or more with him and as he hates K I rarely done K in them 5 years, so I'm done with coke, coke just fucked my anxiety and sleep up even when I wasn't on it

I still have anxiety and insomnia and on tablets for it fucking hate coke, I hated it then to but still done it, I can't even say why, he wanted it so I just agreed for an easier life, his moaning, whining and clucking for coke was more to put up with than just doing coke with him to shut him up lol

How many people who love ketamine actually like coke too? It's the opposite type of drug, I love my downers, my K, benzos, tramadol, ex heroin addict here lol
 

Vastness

Moderator: PD
Staff member
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
2,191
Location
iterating through cyclic eternities
^ It does seem to be kind of uncommon, I have met a few who like both but it's a rarity, a lot of people who like coke IME don't really get ketamine. My ex of a while back was also a fan of both although had a preference for ketamine so for a while it was a nightly thing that we'd start off the evening with a small coke session before seguing into a succession of K-holes until the morning... fun times although wasn't the healthiest relationship, to say the least.

I tried to introduce my mate who I do coke with now and then to the perks of using ketamine for the comedown but he was not a fan, just said it made him feel a bit weird for a while and not very good. Most people I've suggested it to just aren't interested at all... ketamine is a very love it or hate it kind of drug it seems, different strokes and all that.

Seems we have quite similar drug preferences, @jhjhsdi, great minds think alike and all that lol. ;) Although sounds like you've had some experiences more on the extreme end, at least when it comes to ketamine, glad to hear you've apparently come out of it OK, bladder and mind mostly intact.
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
How's your nose after sniffing all that K before you started injecting it @jhjhsdi

Mines fine but I'm scared that sniffing corrosive drugs up it often can't be good, I've seen a documentary about a man addicted to K big time and his nose collapsed and he fucked up his bladder too and had a bag for a while, his nose is fucked, looks a state

Fucking scary

I don't think I do it enough for that to happen but it's still scary to see someone like that
 

Vastness

Moderator: PD
Staff member
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
2,191
Location
iterating through cyclic eternities
Just a brief update, I think that today I am getting some bladder symptoms again - this isn't the first time I've had something of a delayed reaction, and I have taken some phenibut today - a particularly caustic substance - and it's also not the first time I've experienced increased sensitivty from phenibut following ketamine usage. I've just taken 2g D-mannose in the hope I can alleviate it somewhat. My mood today has also been pretty shite despite taking some phenibut and kratom. Again, quite a predictable result. I should know better.

Just recently, as I said I used 2g over 2 days - it was 40 days since I last used ketamine or any other arylcyclohexlamine.

Prior to this - 40 days earlier - I used 1g over 2 days, and had not used any ketamine for 190 days prior to this, and any arylcyclohexylamine for 105 days. I did not experience any bladder symptoms of note that time.

It would appear therefore that the quantity I used, as well as the interval since the last usage, was too much, and too soon.

My symptoms this time are minor - I believe I will recover, and maybe after a longer break I can try again to use less - but this is probably playing with fire, and probably not smart. I mention this, in this level of detail, so that others can be aware that they should not be lulled into a false sense of security. It does seem likely that I have caused some kind of permanent increased susceptibility to bladder symptoms from my ketamine use - and my usage has not been on the extreme end, although it has for sure been more than most.

As I mentioned, my session this time was underwhelming - the session prior to this - while not quite as underwhelming, was still weak. I think I am kidding myself when I talk about "immediate short term tolerance" and the like, this is surely permatolerance that will be very slow to fade.

Since I'm not getting much out of ketamine in terms of the actual subjective experience anymore, and am still getting some physical side effects - it would be smart not to use it for a long time in the hope that my bladder regenerates as much as possible, and my tolerance also fades. So, that's what I'll try to do, although it's not the first time I've said I'll try to do this. Wish me luck! Everyone else, please do be careful and take heed from the experiences reported by everyone in this thread.
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
You get bladder symptoms from just 2 grams over 2 days, did you used to have a heavy habit or have you always just done a gram or 2 here and there as thats what I do but I've not noticed bladder issues?

My mood today has also been pretty shite despite taking some phenibut and kratom. Again, quite a predictable result. I should know better.

I'm not the only one who has a comedown then, I notice bad mood, low mood etc the day after I do ketamine, not always but definitely if I use more than a gram, or if its stronger than normal, I don't see a comedown mentioned very often from doing K but I notice it, no where near as bad as say a comedown from mdma and amphetamine powder and such as that is much worse and lasts days where as K comedown seems to just be the next day
 

Vastness

Moderator: PD
Staff member
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
2,191
Location
iterating through cyclic eternities
I've never had an extreme habit, but I have used hundreds of grams in my life - my peak usage was probably 5-10 grams every week or every other week for a couple of months at a time - this was over 5 years ago now. I've also never had very extreme bladder symptoms, pissing blood or extreme pain, for example, but I have noticed a gradual, gradual increase in more minor bladder symptoms, which require less and less use to come on. There is, seemingly, a huge range of variation in how susceptible people are to the bladder effects - if you have a read over this thread from the beginning you'll see a lot of discussion about it. I'd put my own experience somewhat middle of the road in terms of severity, definitely I've been lucky in my experience compared to some - but my lifetime usage is relatively minor compared to others who have never had symptoms. Best policy is just to be careful, keep your usage to a minimum, and make sure to follow all the HR advice given in this thread (in a nutshell - always stay hydrated, take an ECGC supplement, probably spit out the drip, and make sure all other bases are covered as far as your general health, diet, frequency of exercise, etc, etc).

But primarily just keep your use to a minimum, a few grams a month is probably OK, again as long as you follow the previously given advice, just don't abuse it, because once you start to get bladder symptoms you are likely always going to be at a greater risk of getting them again. Treat the drug with respect and look after your body.

Besides that I agree the K comedown is nothing compared to a proper stimulant comedown, but it's still not nothing. Dose matters of course, but even in my very early days, the K honeymoon, so to speak, I remember feeling pretty shitty the first few days of the week after a weekend binge. IMO it's redosing that does it, a single heavy dose resulting in a K-hole, then abstinence, in a K-naive user is probably not going to have too bad aftereffects, maybe even positive effects, people do talk about an afterglow and obviously ketamine has documented antidepressant effects in some cases, but prolonged sessions with multiple heavy doses IMO and also in my experience just scrambles one's brain, ketamine has always been pretty solidly pro-depressant rather than anti-depressant for me, despite my undeniable love for it.
 

Flower Fairy

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 29, 2020
Messages
1,147
That probably explains why it's an antidepressant then, and we always have a comedown as they have a one off treatment they don't redose lol, I redose until I either run out or if I happen to K hole, then when I'm okay enough to know what's what I redose till it's all gone, I love sniffing lines, I'm not sure I'd like to just have one line lol

Yeah I only do it a few times a month it's not cheap, well it's not for me as I'm always skint lol

I stay hydrated as I'm always making tea and drinking tea, it's one of my favourite things to do on K, especially at my mates house lol it's a funny mission, he has a water filter jug and all sorts, making tea at his is crazy as it is let alone on K

K effects my stomach if I do it to often, when I did it everyday for like two months I had like an ulcer and shit, it was fucking agony
 
Top