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☠ WARNING ☠ *WARNING* Chronic ketamine/dissociative use causes bladder/organ damage

People were using as much as five grams a day and more for years on end because it was so cheap. Some of my close friends have permanent damage, I seem to be ok although I did have issues at points and do have a somewhat weak bladder now.

Damage doesnt occur overnight, you need to be using large doses over a long period of time. It first appears as the sensation of always needing to go to the toilet and never actually being able to go properly, which gets increasingly painful.

This seems to be the real trend for bladder damage. Daily use with no breaks. I wouldn't recommend binging for more than 3 days. It's rare these days to have it available enough to over a week now for me though.

I think having it regulated could make some difference here. If I had a constant k supply my bladder would be destroyed. Having supply slightly restricted really helps give the opportunity for my insides to clean themselves out and heal.
 
anyone see this thread on reddit?



sounds like a bold claim, "prevents" is such a strong word without any modifiers.

personally, i'd never heard of egcg
 
anyone see this thread on reddit?



sounds like a bold claim, "prevents" is such a strong word without any modifiers.

personally, i'd never heard of egcg


green tea has caffiene. If you already have any bladder issues or damage you want to stay far far away from caffiened (and all other stims). As we all know, academic science is often completely irreproducible and often falsified by students and professors desperate to publish, so i wouldn't go snorting tons of K and drinking green tea thinking you will be safe.


Just to give an update on my bladder issues, i was doing pretty good for a while but had a bad flare that cause me to be hospitilized a couple of weeks ago. This is 3 years post bladder damage. EXTREME pain like i had never felt. 15 out of 10, far worse than back surgery. I was crying on the floor of the examination room and in danger of killing myself. All i recived was 5 mg of oxycodone and a pat on the back, and i have no recorded history of drug abuse or crimainal record and am a doctor. I had no drugs whatsoever in my system at the time of entering the hospital either....this is how pain is dealt with these days.

I would describe the pain as a searing hot metal rod, inserted through the penis, into the bladder, and stabbing and ripping up the inside of the bladder.

i left the hospital because they couldn't do anything and refused to treat pain, and no urologist with that hospital could even see me. My wife drove me to a private practice doctor I trust while i was crying, he was closed but saw me anyways and presribed me a bottle of 8 mg hydromorphone. I had zero opioid tolerence at the time so 8-12 mg was able to bring the pain down to a non-kill yourself level. Got to the urologist the next day and he said there was a fair amount of blood in my urine and injected a bunch of steroid/herarin/lidocaine into my bladder via catheter up my penis (not fun!)...this knocked the pain down to almost nothing for a couple weeks and now i've got minor pain again.

i've said this before...a 5 year daily crack and IV heroin addiction did nowhere near the damage to my live that causual ketamine use did. Of course, it did far more damage to my wallet than K ;)...but we'll see. I've spent thousands out of pocket in the past three years on medical bills for my bladder and i have very good insurance. I would estimate around 5-8 K.
 
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Thanks for the update @LucidSDreamer. Sounds brutal, for sure... Out of curiousity have you ever looked into intravesical hyaluronic acid as a treatment? I'm sure this has been mentioned in this thread before - and I'm not sure what the process would be for getting this done, or if it would even be possible to get a doctor to do it given the limited research on it - but I ask just as, since you're already getting things adminstered directly into the bladder via catheter, maybe it would not be too much of a leap to try a similar treatment to the one described here: Complete reversal of the clinical symptoms and image morphology of ketamine cystitis after intravesical hyaluronic acid instillation: A case report.


IIRC @Vastness has tried it with K and said it changed the character of the experience for them though
I think it was @Chris Timothy who said it changed the character of the experience - I didn't personally notice any subjective difference in the experience (as far as I remember anyway).

sounds like a bold claim, "prevents" is such a strong word without any modifiers.
"Prevents" is indeed a strong word, perhaps too strong, IMO. "Reduces" would perhaps be better, since EGCG does not completely block the harmful effects, but there does appear to be good indication that it can reduce them somewhat - even significantly, perhaps, but current research into this is only done on rats.
 
use ket regularly? it fucks ur blader up alot more than u think when taking it, i had hard time passig urine on that stuff . its good stuff though, be careful when taking 2 gram plus a day for regular days
 
i swear if i knew this earlier i would of been taking green tea with my ketamine :D i love the s ismomer, for some reason it way way more effective :D
 
So I’ve gotta say I feel like I’m stuck... Since this thread I’ve essentially lowered and now basically quit the drug except for very odd occasions. Before I was using small doses 1-2 times a month for the AD effects.

I’m really starting to miss how life felt with the odd dose of K in my life.

My thoughts are, will different ROA’s give different bladder damage results? The dosages vary greatly between insufflated and IV, I’m curious if less damage would be dealt to my poor bladder if I were to IV a similar amount effects wise to insufflated.

I have no worries of this becoming a problem, I’ve IV’ed Ketamine a few times in the past, I just want to get the same 1-2 week long AD effects with minimal damage.

-GC
 
So I’ve gotta say I feel like I’m stuck... Since this thread I’ve essentially lowered and now basically quit the drug except for very odd occasions. Before I was using small doses 1-2 times a month for the AD effects.

I’m really starting to miss how life felt with the odd dose of K in my life.

My thoughts are, will different ROA’s give different bladder damage results? The dosages vary greatly between insufflated and IV, I’m curious if less damage would be dealt to my poor bladder if I were to IV a similar amount effects wise to insufflated.

I have no worries of this becoming a problem, I’ve IV’ed Ketamine a few times in the past, I just want to get the same 1-2 week long AD effects with minimal damage.

-GC
even IV results in bladder damage thats the limiting factor in long term depression treatment in trials. Im sure you will be fine with doing small ket dose once a month since they in trials they do once a month k hole IV flood dose on people for depression. Ket bladder damage seems to come from people just eating shit loads weekly or daily.
 
@LucidSDreamr

"I would describe the pain as a searing hot metal rod, inserted through the penis, into the bladder, and stabbing and ripping up the inside of the bladder."

Mate I feel your pain. That's a good description it's something between that and getting a tattoo on the inside of your dick/up to the Gooch constantly. I had this for ages which ended up with me being in hospital for 3 days then rehab for a month on bladder meds and hardcore antibiotics. I was also pissing out bright green puss and black/dark red blood cloods every 15/20 mins that felt like red hot lumps of glass. I don't know how I even have a bladder/urinary tract left 🙏

I was using 10-20g+ a day every day for a LONG time prior, mind☠💀👎
 
it's something between that and getting a tattoo on the inside of your dick/up to the Gooch constantly. I had this for ages which ended up with me being in hospital for 3 days then rehab for a month on bladder meds and hardcore antibiotics. I was also pissing out bright green puss and black/dark red blood cloods every 15/20 mins that felt like red hot lumps of glass. I don't know how I even have a bladder/urinary tract left 🙏
Christ. That sounds horrific.

My thoughts are, will different ROA’s give different bladder damage results? The dosages vary greatly between insufflated and IV, I’m curious if less damage would be dealt to my poor bladder if I were to IV a similar amount effects wise to insufflated.
IMO, there is sufficient evidence for at least a plausible theory that different ROAs do have differences in the likelihood of bladder damage, with a good proportion of the bladder damage from nasal administration being a result of secondary oral ingestion resulting in a higher proportion of norketamine from first pass metabolism.

I had a go crunching the bioavailability numbers a few pages back if you're interested in having a read - https://www.bluelight.org/xf/thread...dder-organ-damage.874283/page-5#post-14648956 - before doing this I had been a bit skeptical that there would be any significant difference.

Just anecdotally - I will note that since reducing my ketamine usage a lot I have sparingly allowed myself to go back to it a few times. Just recently a few days ago I went through 2g in 2 days - this time I was militant about spitting out the drip into a spit cup I had nearby, literally any taste or indication of the drip starting I would spit as much saliva as possible into the cup, whenever I was conscious enough to do so.

I was also militant about staying hydrated. Additionally I took a supplement of 750g decaffeinated green tea extract, standardised to 98% polyphenols, 45% EGCG - so ~337.5mg EGCG. I took it once each day I used ketamine, and plan to continue taking it for at least a week after just in case. Additionally I took 1g D-mannose prior to beginning the session and every hour for the duration, give or take. I'm not actually certain what D-mannose is supposed to do but it's supposed to be good for your bladder and for managing symptoms of UTI and suchlike...

Again this is purely anecdotal but it seemed like it made a definite difference, for the first time in a while I honestly did not get any of that "gummed up insides" and increased bladder awareness sensation. I have tried spitting out the drip before but this was the first time I was really strict with myself about it instead of doing it half assed.

The only downside to my session was that I didn't get nearly as deep as I was hoping, I am still not sure why that is but I was wondering if a good portion of the effects I usually get during a session were down to unintentional oral ingestion... more experimentation is needed, which will have to be no sooner than a month from now though, maybe 2. It could be a permatolerance that has finally caught up with me... at one point I literally insufflated 250mg as quickly as possible and used "The @jhjhsdi Method", ie lying on your stomach with your head hanging off the edge of a bed to avoid any drip - and was back to walking around within 20 minutes or so... but this was after having used about the same amount but more slowly... it does seem that K has an immediate tolerance-inducing effect for me where if I don't hole very early in the session it's almost impossible to after a while no matter how huge the dose.

In regards to bladder effects though - it's worth noting I have cut down a lot, I've probably used 3g in the past 6 months, including my recent 2g session, so that no doubt also played a part, and again this is all purely anecdotal and I've been lucky enough to avoid the worst of the bladder damage so far, so no-one should be lulled into a false sense of security. Just reporting my own experiences, as ever.
 
@Vastness yes it was horrific beyond description tbh. If I hadn't ended up in rehab I would have lost my bladder. I had to be honest about my use and amounts I was using with the specialists in hospital and they said if i didn't stop I had literally 2 weeks to a month before my bladder would have to come out.

Also, permatolerance is cunt.

Big up for 'the jhjhsdi Method' 😁 my tolerance is so high I've done that with 10 x 500mg lines, pretty much one after the other, I'd say no more than 4-5 minute total to consume 5g, and just lie there a bit zoned out, no psychedelic effect, no k-hole.
It was around that time I decided I needed to inject. But I wish I hadn't started and don't recommend it to anyone. The needle itself is a whole other demon/addiction 👎 now my bladders alot better 👍 but I have hardly any veins left and I think I have circulation issues. And a needle fetish. 💀💉👎👎👎
 
Haha, holy shit, I wouldn't think it was even possible to get 5g up your nose in such a short time... :LOL:

Again this is purely anecdotal but obviously there are a lot of reports of people with huge ketamine habits who only injected and did not report any bladder problems (John Lilly, Marcia Moore, maybe some others) which lends more weight to the relative safety of IM/IV compared to other methods. It's a tricky one from a HR perspective obviously, in good conscience no-one would recommend needle administration of a drug because this is a huge, huge can of worms, but with ketamine it's kind of a grey area (assuming all proper precautions taken with regards to fresh needles, pharmaceutically pure ketamine, sterile instruments, etc, otherwise it's still pretty black and white in that injection is definitely not safer). Personally I've been lucky enough again to be able to avoid injecting anything so far and have no plans to anytime soon, but if I was going to inject anything it would probably be ketamine.
 
@Vastness thats exactly what I used to say before I had injected.

Now I've slammed ket, ket+speed, speed by itself and ket+heroin a few times too 😕

Can of worms is an understatement.

As for pharmaceutical vials of K they are weak mg/ml with tolerance you'd need like a 5-10ml syringe full.. Or multiple smaller shots, and doing injections after already being k'd up is highly discouraged. Misses, poor technique, bad vision etc, once I was just coming out a hole trying to get into another one and was sat poking myself trying to register blood with this 3ml syringe, for quite a long time, until I gradually got more sober and realized I hadn't even put any solution into it 🤦‍♂️

Plus once you have that permatolerance too little is shit you may aswel have just sniffed and a little too much you just black out and don't remember anything just wake up on the floor (normally injured with at least some bruises or scrapes) with an uncapped needle somewhere around you/possibly stuck in your foot lol. So not only is it dangerous it's a massive waste of k.

It's a great way to fast forward time though if you need to, when I was shooting 1-2000mg IV every time my day was basically in 3 or 4 sections of 5 minutes lol.

DONT RECOMMENDED ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE AN EVEN SLIGHTLY ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY OR ACCESS TO GOOD AMOUNTS.

I mean if you have a good friend you visited once or twice a year and they have all the sterile equipment and could safely and efficiently shoot it for you then yea I'd say try it once try everything once you only live once and it's hell of an experience if you get the dose right, but once you learn how to hit yourself and start hoarding equipment it's game over peeps, trust me on this.
 
Misses, poor technique, bad vision etc, once I was just coming out a hole trying to get into another one and was sat poking myself trying to register blood with this 3ml syringe, for quite a long time, until I gradually got more sober and realized I hadn't even put any solution into it

Fucksake that's hilarious I'd be that person too, I know when I've sniffed loads and then gone racked up and snorted another line I've had to ask a friend if I've sniffed it

I can't believe the shit you've been though with your bladder thats fucking crazy, and you still use K, that's how addictive it is, I can understand that, other people don't understand the pull it has unless they've been addicted to it

I've been thinking of injecting K because of tolerance too, I don't get K holes very often anymore, I never go to space like me best mate, never been there lol, my friend went to Mars last night, I'd love that lol, I think maybe I'd go see planets and things if I hit it up

I did K hole yesterday for the first time in a long while though but I stayed in his living room, it was still fun though till his creepy ass stupid Spotify played scary music so I hid his phone and unplugged Alexa I hate that bitch she's always playing creepy stuff when I'm on K lol, my mate needs a decent play list
 
@Flower Fairy yeah its kinda funny apart from the fact that I'd stabbed into and through the other side of one my main veins repeatedly in different spots enough times to collapse it permanently 😐 RIP left bicep vein.

Don't do it. It's not how you'd imagine it'd be.
If you NEED your K to hit harder here's what I recommend. In my experience over the years...
Plugging it
OR
Getting semi drunk first
Being sleep deprived by at least 1 night when you do your first line, the longer you are awake the better
Combine it with order drugs. Being high on pregabs first works really well. Hitting some nitrous as you are peaking is an excellent way to take the fast road to the k-hole. People always say don't mix with benzos because it dulls the experience, but the diazepam leaflet literally tells you not to mix with ketamine because diazepam increase the effects of ketamine lol. I don't recommend benzos in general though really. DPH (diphenhyramine, aka nytol, aka tesco own extra strength sleep aids, aka boots SLEEPEEZE) also potentiates K nicely. Easily available OTC for a few quid. Just don't go over 200mg of dph lol

Alcohol or sleep dep works the best really. But you have plenty of options before turning to the needle
Back when i could only afford grams at a time, if I knew I was going to score on Friday weds n Thurs night I would stay awake and on my way back from scoring I would literally force 8 cans of Stella down my neck, before getting home and racking up.
Half the time I'd wake up with half a wrap left. Whereas if i was sober that wrap would have been gone in a couple hours max and me sat wanting more.

It's also really good/stronger on the comedown of mdma or acid but I understand not everyone has the time for that lol


Admin: I know some advice here isn't exactly harm reduction but it is when I'm using it to deter people from turning to the needle
 
So I’ve gotta say I feel like I’m stuck... Since this thread I’ve essentially lowered and now basically quit the drug except for very odd occasions. Before I was using small doses 1-2 times a month for the AD effects.

I’m really starting to miss how life felt with the odd dose of K in my life.

My thoughts are, will different ROA’s give different bladder damage results? The dosages vary greatly between insufflated and IV, I’m curious if less damage would be dealt to my poor bladder if I were to IV a similar amount effects wise to insufflated.

I have no worries of this becoming a problem, I’ve IV’ed Ketamine a few times in the past, I just want to get the same 1-2 week long AD effects with minimal damage.

-GC
I think you did see my post somewhere, where I was openly thinking on this, asking the question- are bladder ket issues significantly linked to the common ROA, i.e. insufflation, based on my experience and acquired knowledge that the sinuses serve as a clearing route directly into the urinary tract.

Or it could be mega acid ph altering of the gut and Urinary system.

I felt there had to be a chance IV may potentially significantly reduce this unfortunate side effect, but @TripSitterNZ does his homewok and knows his drugs well, saying IV can still cause bladder problems.

However I am definitely with him that moderate use of 1-2 times per month really should not be a threat in this regard I don't think.

I took ketamine fairly frequently for over 2 years without developing any apparent problems or side effects it was the people I knew who snorted 12g everyday one at a time who were developing these problems until I saw it on Jeremy Kyle many years later but it really seems to be much more more prone with with heavy prolonged daily dosage.

Could you use 3-meo-pcp? Or similar? Excuse my drug naivety if that is an absurd suggestion I'm sure you are aware of your alternative options.

Hope you are okay bro @G_Chem anyway.
 
Getting semi drunk first

All that does is makes me more drunk, I drank before then done K when I was sniffing it daily and the room started spinning and the K wasn't any stronger lol

People always say don't mix with benzos because it dulls the experience, but the diazepam leaflet literally tells you not to mix with ketamine because diazepam increase the effects of ketamine lol.

I did try this when I only had a couple of lines left, I was addicted to benzos at the time so crushed up some vallies and mixed it with the K and it felt stronger to me, but then I got told it weakens it so thought I was just wrong at the time lol

Combine it with order drugs.

If I do it after uppers it kicks my ass, if I do it at a rave I end up either in a K hole or tettering on the edge of one lol, but I don't want to do uppers at home, I only do them in clubs where I don't do K, I do one or the other now lol, depending on what music it is

Haven't got any nitrous but that would be cool lol, I've had that in clubs on uppers, not tried it on K though

DPH (diphenhyramine, aka nytol, aka tesco own extra strength sleep aids, aka boots SLEEPEEZE) also potentiates K nicely. Easily available OTC for a few quid. Just don't go over 200mg of dph lol

Oh no not DPH wouldn't that cause a nightmare K hole lol that's a dark trip that stuff, never done it but I hear its some dark nightmarish stuff to take to much off, people take it to trip a dark shadow people type scary trip

I might try a normal dose of it before K next time, can't afford any till next week anyway

Its fucking shit I either can't afford it or if I can afford it I get moaned at for doing it by my 17 year old son, and it's lockdown so it's hard to sneak about or try and do it at home in decent amounts fucksake
 
@Flower Fairy yeah its kinda funny apart from the fact that I'd stabbed into and through the other side of one my main veins repeatedly in different spots enough times to collapse it permanently 😐 RIP left bicep vein.

Don't do it. It's not how you'd imagine it'd be.
If you NEED your K to hit harder here's what I recommend. In my experience over the years...
Plugging it
OR
Getting semi drunk first
Being sleep deprived by at least 1 night when you do your first line, the longer you are awake the better
Combine it with order drugs. Being high on pregabs first works really well. Hitting some nitrous as you are peaking is an excellent way to take the fast road to the k-hole. People always say don't mix with benzos because it dulls the experience, but the diazepam leaflet literally tells you not to mix with ketamine because diazepam increase the effects of ketamine lol. I don't recommend benzos in general though really. DPH (diphenhyramine, aka nytol, aka tesco own extra strength sleep aids, aka boots SLEEPEEZE) also potentiates K nicely. Easily available OTC for a few quid. Just don't go over 200mg of dph lol

Alcohol or sleep dep works the best really. But you have plenty of options before turning to the needle
Back when i could only afford grams at a time, if I knew I was going to score on Friday weds n Thurs night I would stay awake and on my way back from scoring I would literally force 8 cans of Stella down my neck, before getting home and racking up.
Half the time I'd wake up with half a wrap left. Whereas if i was sober that wrap would have been gone in a couple hours max and me sat wanting more.

It's also really good/stronger on the comedown of mdma or acid but I understand not everyone has the time for that lol


Admin: I know some advice here isn't exactly harm reduction but it is when I'm using it to deter people from turning to the needle
Oh man some people think alcohol DULLS ketamine. I URGE ANYONE to realize the combo is INTENSE, SURREAL, PSYCHEDELIC, EXTREME. Unsafe. Generally unsafe. Don't do it. Basically it's not for most people.

It's very intense. You don't want to do something like that without ACTIVE TOLERANCE to BOTH compounds. For sake of harm reduction. Know your limits. Don't just dive into it. "Do as I say not as I do" sort of thing. I have some crazy stories from the combo. I've seen what it does to other people without a tolerance.

I took ketamine fairly frequently for over 2 years without developing any apparent problems or side effects it was the people I knew who snorted 12g everyday one at a time who were developing these problems
WHUH...WHAT??? 12 GRAMS EVERY DAY? WHAT? I'm horrified.
 
@Captain.Heroin I'm not drinking before K ever, I rarely drink anyway and when I had a daily K habit last year I drank then had some K and all it done was made me more drunk and the horrible room spinning I'm going to puke type drunk and I still didn't feel the K
 
Me and my friends drunk a huge amount of whiskey between the three of us and finished half a gram of ket with weed during the night. None of us passed out but it was a fucking intense trip for sure sooo fucking good oo and mdma ontop of it. I had no tolerance to weed alochol or the ket. In some countries Ketamine is done only ever with drinking crazy amounts that would probably kill most white people.
 
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