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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

shugenja said:
Not anymore, but back in the day. I had one with the little clippy attached to my shirt so it couldn't get lost.

Definitely walked around with it in my mouth at the club because everybody knew what the fuck was going on.

This was late '90s early 2000s. If you were at a club, an underground party or rave and you DIDN'T see people walking around with pacifiers, that was strange.
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Oh ok . Wasn't into it until recently.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
We have chewing gum for these occasions.

If you're sucking on a babies dummy, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you :ROFLMAO:
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Chewing gum destroys the inside of your cheeks worse than gurning by itself.

What's wrong with a dummy in your mouth if you're wearing adult size Tigger footy pajamas? (Tigger footy pajamas definitely pull a lot of birds)

I mean it's a party. PLUR
 
shugenja said:
Chewing gum destroys the inside of your cheeks worse than gurning by itself.

What's wrong with a dummy in your mouth if you're wearing adult size Tigger footy pajamas? (Tigger footy pajamas definitely pull a lot of birds)

I mean it's a party. PLUR
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I like the sound of your parties. Tigger footy pyjamas (whatever the fuck they are) and babies dummies? Can't wait for the bit with the soiled diapers... :ROFLMAO:
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I like the sound of your parties. Tigger footy pyjamas (whatever the fuck they are) and babies dummies? Can't wait for the bit with the soiled diapers... :ROFLMAO:
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You know Tigger from Winnie the Pooh. One piece pyjamas that made you look like him, or had pictures of him all over them, that have sewn in slippers (footy pyjama) like little kids version, except they're adult size. (Some actually had tails)

And it's Tigger because:

"The Wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is Tiggers are wonderful things
Tops are made out of rubber
Their bottoms are made out of springs
Their bouncey, trouncey, ouncey, pouncey
Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun"

And raver girls Looovvve Tigger.

Yes, I'm old.
 
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G_Chem said:
And… lol

I feel like that’s a UK and/or club thing, to care that the staff may find out your high. Over here, long as you aren’t fucking shit up or in obvious distress they won’t mess with you.

-GC
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Yes one time I was at big venue for a big rave, and friend gave me some K and I didn't know what it was but they said I'd have fun and I trusted them.

Couldn't figure out how to get out of the bathroom stall because I was in a hole. Apparently I've been in the stall for like an hour and security had been asking me to come out and I just was ignoring that because you know I was in a hole.

All they did was make sure I was okay escorted me out of the club and then I walked right back in the front door.

First last and only time I did K. My little brother was laughing his ass off.

He said "did you get stuck in a hole", I said no. It was the bathroom stall. He said "it was a hole in the bathroom stall."

I had no idea what they were talking about but everybody was laughing their ass off until they clued me in.
 
Over many, many years I encountered MDMA that is less pure and still works better than higher purity sample. Reason for that is rather obvious, different impurities add or take something from high. But if you purify mehDMA up to pharmaceutical purity (wash it good, and recrystallise it few times in different solvents) you’ll get what one friend called MDMA 2.0 (obviously trying only mehDMA before).

First pill I ever took was according to pillreport about 100mg and commented as causing very clean high and latter I found out, yes, it really felt like 100mg of really pure MDMA should feel. Pills nowadays are dosed so high, among other things because they are pressed with MDMA sometimes lower in purity than 70% (not to mention bs about max purity of MDMA being 85%, no one really tests MDMA hcl like that, 85% MDMA hcl is simply 85% pure and if you get pharma grade MDMA hcl it will be 99.99%). Reason for pressing 65 – 70% MDMA is that it looks shitty and rather than purifying it and in that way rising cost, unfortunately it just ends up on market in pill form (and I’m sure a lot more mehDMA experiences are with pills than with transparent crystal).

Another thing that comes to mind is, isomers; one friend always claimed powdery (tiny crystals) MDMA is better than huge crystals so you get both isomers in a dose for sure, idk if there’s something to it but it might be.

And last thing thing I consider is possibility of other salts of MDMA somehow being present in a sample beside hcl form and affecting rate of absorption, maybe even bioavability.

All in all I tired MDMA good as it gets, I also tried mehDMA, purified it and got MDMA good as it gets.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
Over many, many years I encountered MDMA that is less pure and still works better than higher purity sample. Reason for that is rather obvious, different impurities add or take something from high. But if you purify mehDMA up to pharmaceutical purity (wash it good, and recrystallise it few times in different solvents) you’ll get what one friend called MDMA 2.0 (obviously trying only mehDMA before).

First pill I ever took was according to pillreport about 100mg and commented as causing very clean high and latter I found out, yes, it really felt like 100mg of really pure MDMA should feel. Pills nowadays are dosed so high, among other things because they are pressed with MDMA sometimes lower in purity than 70% (not to mention bs about max purity of MDMA being 85%, no one really tests MDMA hcl like that, 85% MDMA hcl is simply 85% pure and if you get pharma grade MDMA hcl it will be 99.99%). Reason for pressing 65 – 70% MDMA is that it looks shitty and rather than purifying it and in that way rising cost, unfortunately it just ends up on market in pill form (and I’m sure a lot more mehDMA experiences are with pills than with transparent crystal).

Another thing that comes to mind is, isomers; one friend always claimed powdery (tiny crystals) MDMA is better than huge crystals so you get both isomers in a dose for sure, idk if there’s something to it but it might be.

And last thing thing I consider is possibility of other salts of MDMA somehow being present in a sample beside hcl form and affecting rate of absorption, maybe even bioavability.

All in all I tired MDMA good as it gets, I also tried mehDMA, purified it and got MDMA good as it gets.
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Please for others sake, detail how you purified it. The more details the better. Thanks!

-GC
 
I washed it with acetone, than first recrystallized in alcohol and than in distilled water. Repeating recrystallisation until I got totally transparent crystals, not even cloudy but transparent as glass. During process I always lost quite a bit of product, so if MDMA was tested round 90% I would loose significantly more than 10% doing it, but it’s worth it. Ofc if I had more patience loss could have been smaller.
 
Just so there wouldn’t be any confusion, I would pour off last bit of solvent and remove darker colored crystals at the edge of mass crystallizing. Collecting those and than repeating whole process with acetone and again recrystallizing should be done not to waste too much ofc.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
I’m sure a lot more mehDMA experiences are with pills than with transparent crystal).
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Tbh, I've actually found the opposite to be true. So much so that I now believe that so called 'crystal MDMA' is simply the shit that's not good enough to be pressed into pills. I've had transparent crystal that has been shit. I've also had transparent crystal that has been amazing (but very rarely).

Who fuckin knows?
 
SpiralusSancti said:
Over many, many years I encountered MDMA that is less pure and still works better than higher purity sample. Reason for that is rather obvious, different impurities add or take something from high. But if you purify mehDMA up to pharmaceutical purity (wash it good, and recrystallise it few times in different solvents) you’ll get what one friend called MDMA 2.0 (obviously trying only mehDMA before).

First pill I ever took was according to pillreport about 100mg and commented as causing very clean high and latter I found out, yes, it really felt like 100mg of really pure MDMA should feel. Pills nowadays are dosed so high, among other things because they are pressed with MDMA sometimes lower in purity than 70% (not to mention bs about max purity of MDMA being 85%, no one really tests MDMA hcl like that, 85% MDMA hcl is simply 85% pure and if you get pharma grade MDMA hcl it will be 99.99%). Reason for pressing 65 – 70% MDMA is that it looks shitty and rather than purifying it and in that way rising cost, unfortunately it just ends up on market in pill form (and I’m sure a lot more mehDMA experiences are with pills than with transparent crystal).

Another thing that comes to mind is, isomers; one friend always claimed powdery (tiny crystals) MDMA is better than huge crystals so you get both isomers in a dose for sure, idk if there’s something to it but it might be.

And last thing thing I consider is possibility of other salts of MDMA somehow being present in a sample beside hcl form and affecting rate of absorption, maybe even bioavability.

All in all I tired MDMA good as it gets, I also tried mehDMA, purified it and got MDMA good as it gets.
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Do you have any evidence that impurities from reaction byproducts affect the subjective experience of MDMA? I was unaware that unreacted Safrole or PMK dampens serotonin release or effects the release of dopamine norepinephrine or their re-uptake.

If you're aware of a study that shows that, I would love to see it.

And you straight up contradict yourself. You say that purified MDMA gives the best results. If that's true then how can impurities add to the high like you said?

You always get a 50/50 racemic mix unless somebody went to some trouble and specifically purified a single enantiomer. Or they're using some kind of wackadoodle weird synthesis of completely unwatched chemicals that uses an asymmetric, ligand or catalyst.

Powdery crystal and rock crystal MDMA are going to be a 50/50 racemic mix unless somebody decided to make a single and enantiomer or purify it using tartaric acid.

That being said, I pretty much agree with you that I haven't noticed a difference.
 
I'm not contradicting myself. I generally had better experience with safrole smelling stuff but any kind of MDMA if purified to perfection caused that same proper clean, nice, beautiful high. While taking stuff that was 85 - 90% pure (tested not estimated) did not produced consistent results, some batches were as good as pharma grade while othere were meh before purifying.

So it is not possible that you take a microscope and divide two MDMA isomers? With powdery, really, really powdery stuff, shouldn't every tiny crystal be one isomer? Isn't that the way isomerism was discovered, by sorting crystals and disolving it in solvent and letting light trough it?

Concerning what FUBAR said, honestly I took only few XTC pills, almost always crystal and I'm not a huge fan of MDMA but still think mehDMA phenomen is not only because of peoples tolerance. Reason why I wrote that about pills is because I know for a fact that almost all pills pressed with x amount of MDMA tested show significantly less mg because of purity. Though that's probably also a question of a location. More than a decade ago where I'm there was almost no crystals, just pills, and first crystal was rather shitty product but as time passed quality of crystal got better and better (along with variety of it) while pills also fell in range from perfect to bunk/fake while long ago they where generally dosed low but high quality.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
I'm not contradicting myself. I generally had better experience with safrole smelling stuff but any kind of MDMA if purified to perfection caused that same proper clean, nice, beautiful high. While taking stuff that was 85 - 90% pu

So it is not possible that you take a microscope and divide two MDMA isomers? With powdery, really, really powdery stuff, shouldn't every tiny crystal be one isomer? Isn't that the way isomerism was discovered, by sorting crystals and disolving it in solvent and letting light trough it?
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No you can't do that.

You need to use a chiral acid like tartaric acid to bond with only one enantiomer. Isomer is incorrect (stereo-isomer is correct).

Or you have to use a process called capillary electrophoresis.
 
shugenja said:
First last and only time I did K.
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That's both surprising to me and a real shame. I thought you were an experienced old-school raver, but you've only done K once in your life?

Candy necklace raver types were helpful to those of us flipping pills, doses, and Ketamine at the rave… In the 90s, these events would get raided and shut down by L.E.…
…(aka: Six Down, The City's Finest, The Five Oh, The Boys in Blue, One Time, The Fuzz, Po-Po Penelopes, John Q. Law, or as I like to call them: NarcoSwine)…
I've been in ~a half dozen police raids of warehouse parties/raves from the late 90s and early 2000s.

These raids would really suck w/a head full of acid, one pocket fat w/cash, the other w/rolls, blotter, and bags of K I'd cooked up from liquid. I'd bring ~60 pressed pills – pressies of MDMA were the norm back then ("Molly" can be a shady bitch) – and sell all but maybe 8 of them, plus a few dozen hits of acid, and maybe a dozen bags of K at $20 each.

Picture this: the hypnotic, four-on-the-floor bass music stops and lights come on, but it's still kinda dark; except now there are some very intense, serious-faced LEOs in SWAT gear walking around—some w/guns drawn and some shining flashlights in ppl's eyes to see who looks the most fucked up. They're in people's faces with impromptu questions that smack of Miranda Rights violations. They would especially focus hard on the obvious club kid types, the young bro wearing maybe a white tank, absurd bellbottom JNCOs, ADIDAS shoes, and bleach-blonde-tipped hair spiking through a neon green visor w/heart-shaped LED light-clips on the bill; or the girl clutching a pair of glow sticks, rocking costume wings (in April), a naive look, and a giant candy necklace w/a pacifier on it. These kids would get frisked just for being so conspicuous, and subsequently arrested if they had anything on them. But then, perhaps it wasn't a good idea to bring a gas mask slathered in Vicks vapor rub to the rave tonight after all, club kids…
 
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