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Discussion Why are there no treatments for cocaine and meth addiction?

Not sure, was laughed about a lot on US television a while back. But there was info on 2.3 million spent injecting beagle puppies with cocaine, from multiple sources
 
Jnowhere said:
But there was info on 2.3 million spent injecting beagle puppies with cocaine, from multiple sources
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Pretty sure that's another wing nut conspiracy theory. Articles (all from sketchy sources) I've found about this alleged study cite costs ranging from $1.6 million to $2.5 million, but they all say the experiment lasted about one year and involved 44 puppies.

Something doesn't add up.
 
$2.3MIL was what source I read which, is intween.
hard to find chimp thing, but it was all over our news years ago.
 
I'm skeptical of the ability of a Cocaine addict to moderate their own usage. Telling a Crack Head when and how he can get high is a recipe for failure. The only method I could conceive of that might work would be some kind of Controlled-Release formulation for the Cocaine; taking any kind of choice in the matter out of the addict's hands. We don't really have a lot of data regarding Cocaine rationing.

I have more hope for a Methamphetamine addict to respond positively to high-dose Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) or similar. Cocaine's duration of action makes it inherently difficult to regulate. In my experience, a Crack Addict will smoke any and all Crack given him/her.
 
jasperkent said:
Pretty sure that's another wing nut conspiracy theory. Articles (all from sketchy sources) I've found about this alleged study cite costs ranging from $1.6 million to $2.5 million, but they all say the experiment lasted about one year and involved 44 puppies.

Something doesn't add up.
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Work on your math skills
 
I think it needs to be clarified what we are talking about when say "treatment". Medications for opioid use disorder (including the agonists methadone and buprenorphine, and antagonist naltrexone) when used for opioid agonist therapy/treatment are often prescribed for maintenance. Treatment can mean providing a medication as maintenance (i.e. for as long as the individual needs) or used in opioid withdrawal management or detoxification. For methamphetamine, outcomes with stimulants such as lisdexamphetamine, methylphenidate and modafinal have been suboptimal. Contingency management works as a behavioral intervention but again, not as maintenance. I'd be interested to see methamphetamine hydrochloride (sold under the brand name Desoxyn) explored as a potential avenue. Findings from a recent cross-sectional survey in Canada suggests that methamphetamine (Desoxyn) would be a preferred option for stimulant safe supply.

Keif' Richards said:
I have more hope for a Methamphetamine addict to respond positively to high-dose Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) or similar.
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Definitely more More research definitely needed!
 
The safe supply program here in Canada does give out drugs for stim addiction. Typically methylphenidate for crack addiction and Vyanse adderall and Dexedrine for people who do crystal
 
Sorry, to burst your bubble, but governments do all sorts of horrible cruel things to animals all the time and then the private sector, with government grants and permits.
 
chippermonk said:
Just curious, why would it be methyllphenidate for crack, and not Adderal or Dexedrine? (or methylphenidate for crystal?)
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I think it’s because Methylphenidate has more of a re-uptake inhibitor action on dopamine and norepinephrine like Cocaine, where as the traditional amphetamines act by releasing dopamine and norepinephrine. So, MTP acts more like cocaine to exert its effects, where as Vyvanse,Adderall, Dexedrine all work in the same manner as the crystal meth available on the street
 
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