Fertile
Bluelighter
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As the title says, I have been researching the rise of (R) MDMA, high dose (500mg) MDMA tablets and the new(ish) pre-precursor, PMK glycidate.
My logic is that nobody would make a 500mg MDMA tablet that sells for the same price as 100mg MDMA tablets unless you KNOW that what you have is weak. I concluded that 3,4-(Methylenedioxy)cinnamic acid is the source material (PMK was controlled in China in 2015) & that someone had found a direct (or at least chiral) route for the synthesis of MDMA from PMK glycidate. Converting PMK-glycidate to MDP2P is widely known and very simple so their could be 2 explainations:
1)The 'cooks' only know 1 way to make MDMA from PMK-glycidate and so they have no option but to sell a low quality product at a lower price.
2)The direct (chiral) route from PMK-glycidate to MDMA is so efficient that it's more profitable to sell the lower quality product at a lower price.
I am now datamining to see if I can find the second (PMK glycidate to MDMA) because it would imply the first.
I conclude that such a route must have a lot of advantages. I suspect that it does not require methylamine.
I originally thought that the glycidate was being made using the Darzen's reaction. This involves the use of 2-hydroxypropanoic acid. The CHEAPEST way to make this precursor is from lactic acid and as we all know, lactic acid is CHIRAL. That would have answered 50% of the question. But now I'm not so sure.
I would be very grateful for any information people might have. This is not intended to show people how to make MDMA, it's intended to reduce harm and one has to admit that 500mg of MDMA is not an intrinsically safe alternative when compared to 125mg. If you know lactic acid is used somewhere, that would be a clue. If you know that their is a direct route then that would be a clue. It's all going to be clues. I seriously doubt anyone involved in the clandestine synthesis of MDMA is going to pipe up with the answer.
I am also looking into an on-the-spot test for detecting an enantiomeric excess. Currently polarimetry or even more complex methods are used. I'm looking at finding a reagent that only reacts with the (R) isomer and another that only reacts with the (S) isomer. It would be very clever to find 1 reagent that goes a different colour based on the particular isomer.... but I'm betting that 2 simple reagents will be cheaper.
This putative test reagent has no name as of yet. I propose that if we can find these clues, put them together and find a reagent, it be christened 'Bluelight Reagent' on the basis that it will be the work of many people. It also helps drive people to our HR communuty.
Many thanks for your imput.
My logic is that nobody would make a 500mg MDMA tablet that sells for the same price as 100mg MDMA tablets unless you KNOW that what you have is weak. I concluded that 3,4-(Methylenedioxy)cinnamic acid is the source material (PMK was controlled in China in 2015) & that someone had found a direct (or at least chiral) route for the synthesis of MDMA from PMK glycidate. Converting PMK-glycidate to MDP2P is widely known and very simple so their could be 2 explainations:
1)The 'cooks' only know 1 way to make MDMA from PMK-glycidate and so they have no option but to sell a low quality product at a lower price.
2)The direct (chiral) route from PMK-glycidate to MDMA is so efficient that it's more profitable to sell the lower quality product at a lower price.
I am now datamining to see if I can find the second (PMK glycidate to MDMA) because it would imply the first.
I conclude that such a route must have a lot of advantages. I suspect that it does not require methylamine.
I originally thought that the glycidate was being made using the Darzen's reaction. This involves the use of 2-hydroxypropanoic acid. The CHEAPEST way to make this precursor is from lactic acid and as we all know, lactic acid is CHIRAL. That would have answered 50% of the question. But now I'm not so sure.
I would be very grateful for any information people might have. This is not intended to show people how to make MDMA, it's intended to reduce harm and one has to admit that 500mg of MDMA is not an intrinsically safe alternative when compared to 125mg. If you know lactic acid is used somewhere, that would be a clue. If you know that their is a direct route then that would be a clue. It's all going to be clues. I seriously doubt anyone involved in the clandestine synthesis of MDMA is going to pipe up with the answer.
I am also looking into an on-the-spot test for detecting an enantiomeric excess. Currently polarimetry or even more complex methods are used. I'm looking at finding a reagent that only reacts with the (R) isomer and another that only reacts with the (S) isomer. It would be very clever to find 1 reagent that goes a different colour based on the particular isomer.... but I'm betting that 2 simple reagents will be cheaper.
This putative test reagent has no name as of yet. I propose that if we can find these clues, put them together and find a reagent, it be christened 'Bluelight Reagent' on the basis that it will be the work of many people. It also helps drive people to our HR communuty.
Many thanks for your imput.