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The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

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kidklmx said:
P.s Can someone elaborate on the pepermint oil you're supposed to add to the LSA before tripping? Wasn't LSA->LSH debunked already?
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i never had success with peppermint oil, but red wine+lsa always seemed to produce a qualitatively different/better trip for me.

supposedly it was debunked though, so maybe it was placebo.
 
I'd go with the Kash one, wayab. It's very detailed and after a couple of washes your product should be very clean. The Erowid one is the same thing, but probably takes some of the other alkaloids out of the seeds as well. (Which is not what you want)

thenightwatch said:
i never had success with peppermint oil, but red wine+lsa always seemed to produce a qualitatively different/better trip for me.

supposedly it was debunked though, so maybe it was placebo.
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Never done alcohol while on psychs but wouldn't it change the nature of the trip by itself? That Kash guy in the thread stated that without pepermint oil the extracted LSA wasn't very active. Could it be possible that there is something else in the seed material/pepermint oil that 'activates' the LSA? And so, giving birth to LSA->LSH theories?
 
HBWR Sublingual

I've taken LSA perhaps 8 or 9 times over the years and have had some pretty variable and interesting trips. It's always been HBWR in form, doses between 4 and 11 prior to three nights ago. I really enjoy the trip they provide, however the body load doesn't sit well with me. Nausea is a problem; if I go beyond 6/7 seeds there is a fair degree of it, if I can be sick (only happened once) then the nausea seems to vanish. The nausea, as annoying as it is, isn't the main problem. I *really* dislike the feeling of tension, of vasoconstriction in my limbs (especially my legs). It makes movement unpleasant and doesn't feel very healthy.

I've considered for a while an extraction/conversion with peppermint oil to produce 'LSH'. I've never gotten round to this, a few nights back I did get around to trying them sublingually. 15 seeds were placed in my mouth, crushed as uickly as possible and then pressed against my cheek and held there for twenty minutes. No vasoconstriction whatsoever, virtually no nausea. Substantial potency lost however, more than the 50% others have reported - equivalent to perhaps 7 seeds.

I tripped by myself in a comfortable place (my bed) and listened to tunes, seeds were ingested at 9:15-9:35. I'd forgotten that match of the day was on at 10:30 (I always watch it with my dad), by the time 10:30 came around I was at a mild +++. Watching match of the day with the TV emitting neon lightning was certainly interesting. Thankfully my speech wasn't in anyway impaired, and was perhaps enhanced to a degree (with LSA I can receive anything from fragmented speech and inability to maintain lines of thought, right through to light speed, precise thinking and greatly enhanced speech).

Very good trip, LSA has gone way up in my estimation.
 
anyone know if it is safe/effective to take something like Cyclobenzaprine while on lsa in order to offset the muscle spasms?
 
i've taken cyclobenzaprine with 2C-P before. cyclobenzaprine is structurally pretty closely related to the antihistamines. however, there's also this bit from the wikipedia article on cyclobenzaprine:

Corroborating studies show cyclobenzaprine causes inhibition of descending serotonergic systems in the spinal cord by blocking 5-HT2A and 5-HT2C receptors.
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so it might dull your trip as well. i wasn't aware of this ^^ before i took my 2C-P + cyclobenzaprine trip. i can't really recall if the trip seemed dulled or not.

if you still haven't had your first LSA trip then i say try it without the cyclobenzaprine first. you can always take the flexeril later on if the muscle spasms actually do start to become uncomfortable.
 
suppose one soaks say 15 crushed seeds in a small amount of distilled h2o, then lay soak up the seed water onto one or two 1in by 1in water color squares... would this be an effective way to extract enough lsa for one trip?
 
So i just tried a cwe on 100 hbmg just to see if it works.... Sooo it either doesnt work or I did something wrong lol, cause didnt feel shit. It might be worth it to try the naphtha extraction
 
Crushing and powdering 10 HBWR seeds, extracting them with 30 ml of your spirit of choice - I like to use whisky, myself - for an hour, occasionally agitating; then after an hour it is filtered, imbibed on an empty stomach - giving very mild, barely perceptible nausea over the first 30 minutes - then the clear, lucid perfection is yours to enjoy.

Very underrated, to my mind. LSD was a let down after this gift of nature.
 
The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Part 3: Fluffy Dreams Continued

Hey all,

I've just been trying to figure out the best way to ingest these seeds. Basically, I want the most simple and easiest way. I've read of chewing them in your mouth and swallowing but that causes extreme nausea and then I've heard of mixing a little water, orange juice, and seed powder then letting it set for a bit, then swish it around your mouth for 15-30 minutes and then spitting it out. I'd much rather crush the seeds up into a powder-like substance, but want the quickest and easiest way with good effects and not TOO much nausea.

Also, what is a good way of preparing for/preventing nausea? I know of smoking weed, but otherwise I'm not sure.

Thanks everyone in advance!
 
"very full on body load with these. they are a cheap alternative but not commonly used becasue of this.. not as bad as nutmeg, but enough to make people question doing it repeatedly...

that being said, it iw worth trying... 4 seeds is a good starting point, an experienced user might want to start with 6 though.

takes a long time- i think about 2 hrs to come up... have some ginger handy.... crystalized, etc. very uncomfortable 2 hrs....

some say crush seeds, some say soak in water... both seem to work ok".

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Boil a tablespoonful of grated ginger root in a pint/650mls water; cool and add a little honey (preferably Manuka honey; Google it and check it out) and lemon; sip slowly.

Rinse your mouth with water after sipping. Discard unused mixture after 3 days. Can be refrigerated for several days, or can be frozen, in batches, for longer term storage.

Enter "ginger" in the searchbar at Amazon. com for several commercial ginger based anti nausea products. Google: "ginger; nausea"
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Also check out http ://www. erowid.org/search.php?exclude=&q=Hawaiian+Baby+Woodrose+&x=16&y=6

and the threads at http ://www. tripme.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=596630
 
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Yoo just copied and pasted this from a thread i posted on the other day - this method works best IME.

Crush 8 to 12 seeds up like you have been, you want to put them in a bottle or container a small coke bottles best, put a tiny bit of water in with them, but not enought to cover the seed mush, you have to then put triple the amount of lemon juice in there, shake it up every hour or so ( no worries if you forget) leave it over night thats the important IME they need at least 12 hours in lemon juice/water mix.

Get the lemon/water mix and strain out the seeds/mush. hold the liquid it in your mouth for 5 mins or so and swallow, you can do it with the seeds in there but you WILL be sick


Have fun

One more thing they are truely horrible in taste its not really enjoyable drinking it lol
Dark chocolate helps with the body load if i remember correctly
 
I had my first successful LSA morning glory trip on friday. I tried tripping previously on morning glory seeds but the seeds I had were bunk. I ordered heavenly blue morning glory seeds from a new source and they work great.

I ground up ~600 seeds. I made one pile of 100 seeds and matched 5 other piles to get 600. I prepared the seeds in the dark because light is not good for the seeds. I put the ground up seeds in ~500ml of distilled water and covered the bottle in aluminum foil to block out any light in the fridge. I shook the bottle every 20 minutes for the first 4 hours. I then went to bed and let the bottle sit in the fridge over night. I woke up the next day and shook the bottle every 20 minutes for another 4 hours. I then filtered out the seed mush with paper towels. Didn't work too well, but it's all I had. I chugged the solution and the rest is history.

This was my first time tripping on anything. I would say it was by far the best drug experience of my life. I have heard people saying that LSA is weak, but I believe it is where you get your seeds from. I tripped BALLS for approximately 5 hours. The whole trip lasted about 12 hours. It was so amazing. Very visual, mind-bending, and euphoric. Can't wait to trip on these again.

Very very positive experience other than a little bit of nausea and diarrhea. Had such a great time!
In addition, I made my friend the same solution and he is very experienced in psychedelics and he also tripped very hard. My method works great and I suggest anyone to try this.

As we speak I am making another bottle of this stuff. Can't wait to trip again!
 
600 seeds is a very high dose, most people have strong trips from 200 seeds or more. Honestly you should have expected to trip extremely hard on 600 seeds if you had done some research.

Glad you had a great time though. But I would suggest people do not try anything close to 600 seeds their first time (or give that amount to their friends) as this dose could be too much for a lot of people.
 
bluedolphin said:
600 seeds is a very high dose, most people have strong trips from 200 seeds or more. Honestly you should have expected to trip extremely hard on 600 seeds if you had done some research.

Glad you had a great time though. But I would suggest people do not try anything close to 600 seeds their first time (or give that amount to their friends) as this dose could be too much for a lot of people.
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Believe me, I did plenty of research, I wanted to trip hard.

I also did not want to have the chance of any tolerance build up from the previous seeds.
 
fixingahole : Are you ingesting the seeds themselves when you use this method? Or just the liquor the seed material soaked in?
 
With the powdered seeds, yes. I didn't get much from it. When I was trying different methods: water extracts made me sick and lethargic for the whole trip, acidic extracts made me sick and lethargic for a few hours, long (24hr) alcohol extracts made me sick for an hour and mentally clear and energetic, short (1hr) alcohol extracts made me slightly sick for 30 minutes and mentally clear and energetic. By 'sick' I mean 'feeling' sick, rather than 'vomiting' (most of the time). Washing the powder with lighter fluid did little/nothing to reduce the nausea. Maximum dose I tried was 15, but 10 had the best effects/side effects ratio for me.
 
Redosed 3 days after my amazing trip. I took the same amount as last time and I barely tripped at all. Guess you really do build up a tolerance. I will wait a month between trips from now on.
 
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