tregar
Bluelighter
Sublingual Ayahuasca, my psychedelic of choice: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371
Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD, extremely visual, music enhancing & super euphoric.
myself:
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Very first pan cyan experience: 3 of us ate dried pan cyans on the way to a nightclub playing undergound house music. The road to the club turned into a rollercoaster of neon colors made of purple, yellow, green, super saturated, waving up and down in intense neon colors, just incredible. I looked at my left arm and it was covered in green Egyptian hieroglyphics, so wild!
I looked off to the side into the sky and saw 3 alein hyperdimensional beings, small in stature looking back at me, made of purple and yellow colors...we stopped to peak inside the store with crystals inside along the way, all of the crystals in the shop had alien heads in them with open mouths and penetrating eyes, staring back at us, we saw aliens in all of the crystals!
When we got to the nighclub, the woman collecting the $5 to get in, turned into a scary witch, we were all agasp, inside the club, we were some of the first to enter, so not crowded at all, the music sounded so bad ass, the videos playing in the addition rooms grabbed our attention. We each touched the girl's leg who went with us, who was tripping as well, felt like MDMA, the intensity of the touch was incredible. Most intense, euphoric, neon colorful trip that introduced me to pan cyan, most unlike any cubes I have ever had. Way preferred these over cubes. So deeply euphoric and extremely visual with saturated tropical neon colors. From then on I was hooked.
I grow these following Gordotek's simple method further below, when fruiting the spawned trays with the sterile casing layer, I just leave cake pan trays out on a small fold out table with a Kvol hd3 3.5 liter ultrasonic cool mist humidifier pointed at all 3 trays on a timer 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, pointed at all 3 trays on a table close to window in small room that get's warmer than rest of house, fruit just fine in open air. Very simple, nothing elaborate needed. The monsoon is also a great humidifier.
I do use a flow hood however when transferring the grown out mycelium grain jars to the trays when mixing in with the pasteurized manure/straw (spawning stage), AND also later when removing the see thru cake lid covering the white mycelium grown out substrate in the cake pan when applying the sterile 1/4" casing layer. Picture at the very end of trays on table in open air for fruiting. They like a constant 77 degrees F from beginning to end, ie grain jar stage to fruiting stage.
Prefer keeping the 3 grain jars and the 3 cake pans during the lid closed "mycelium substrate grow out" and "open lid, open air fruiting stage" on top of a VIVOHOME 10 Inch x 20.75 Inch Waterproof Seedling Heat Mat with included 40-108°F Digital Thermostat Controller. You could also use a greenhouse Martha tent with controllable temp and a monsoon humidifier with stretchable hose that reaches as high as 66" to the top of the inside of the 63" tall tent to direct humidity downwards to all the trays, only have to refill the monsoon every 2 days.
Buy or make a Laminar flow hood, it's the best investment you will ever make.
*** You can take these pan cyan at the same time as taking 150 to 250mg of pure tetrahydroharmine (not an MAOI or RIMA but a psychedelic SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor) and it feels like "organic psilo LSD", powerful combination with super heightened euphoria and visuals and huge powerful music enhancement, stimulating like LSD in combo with the THH, as THH has numerous similarities to mescaline and LSD. I have done this combo numerous times, one of my absolute favorite trip experiences.
I can recommend pan cyans in combo with 150 to 250mg pure tetrahydroharmine, gives an experience that is extremely euphoric, intensely visual and spiritual, a lot like LSD when combined with the THH, one of my absolute favorites of all time.
THH + mushrooms report from JKW:
1) bridgesii 600 gram to 800 gram pieces from around the core tea, 350 to 450mg plus mescaline in the tea = 11 out of 10
2) panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms in combo with 150 to 250mg THH, 6 hour incredible experience = 11 out of 10
3) LSD with bridgesii cactus combo = 11 out of 10
4) oral 200mg harmine + 200mg oral THH + sublingual under the tongue DMT, can re-dose under the tongue dmt every hour up to 3 hours = 11 out of 10
Gordotek's pan cyan grow which I have used sucessfully for a long time:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256 (Gordotek)
https://mycotopia.net/topic/110495-...aiians-blue-meanies-pans-and-pan-cyans/page-2 (Gordotek)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)
http://en.psilosophy.info/panaeolus_cyanescens_liquid_culture_to_fruits.html (Panaeolus Cyanescens -- Liquid Culture to Fruits)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049 (Asura, Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194 (JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens)
https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)
https://www.shroomery.org/8695/Making-Panaeolus-Substrate-Pictorial (Making Panaeolus Substrate, Pictorial)
How pure THH or tetrahydroharmine adds to the experiences, here are my experiences combining it with sublingual HPBCD DMT. What I do now is take 200mg of harmine and 200mg of pure THH orally, then 1 hour later once I feel the harmine and THH, I take sublingual HPBCD DMT (around 100mg) hold under tongue for 15 minutes, all dissolves, gives a 1.5 hour very strong extremely euphoric and visual experience, then I re-dose more sublingual DMT at the 1.5 hour point again, holding under tongue, continues to work at full strength, as the oral harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, continues to work for 3 hours to 5 hours.
I way prefer taking DMT under tongue instead of orally, as zero nausea, goes straight to brain, no dizziness, the only way I use it, very bad ass this way. None of the negatives of oral Ayahausca. There is something about DMT moving thru the stomach that makes it nausea prone, dizzy, and weird and strange, this is all avoided by using it under tongue. The harmine lowers MAO in the brain for 3 to 5 hours, so you can use the dmt under tongue with many re-doses, as it prevents the DMT from being zapped by mitochondria in the brain.
https://mycotopia.ne...e-under-tongue/
https://mycotopia.ne...ts-masks-taste/
12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks:
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0. THH is not an MAOI or a RIMA but a psychedelic serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) found in caapi with many similarities to mescaline. She is a feminine teaching spirit.
1. Part 10 of the first linked paper above: shows how to convert harmaline to pure THH in 1.5 hour for the first time (very fast) with 75% yield. TIHKAL THH entry also achieved 75% yield. Post also shows how to dip a cue tip in vinegar to wet, take up a bit of the THH, smear on a paper plate to check the blue glow under blacklight to make sure it is pure. Any green in the glow means you still have un-converted harmaline, but follow instructions and you won't have any unconverted.
--> Please do this UV check even if you source THH from China (liftmode paperwork indicates Chinese made), as there have been a few reports of it glowing green and not pure light blue with the vinegar swabbed UV check, indicating there is still harmaline in the THH, it would not be a good idea to take even light amounts of harmaline with shrooms, you want only pure THH...either make it yourself or source it from a reputable supplier. THH is an SRI and harmaline is a RIMA, completely different substances <--
1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115:
In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.
2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.
3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.
4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.
5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.
6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.
7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT. Listening to music on THH + DMT is like listening to music on high dose cactus tea: heavenly, infinitely beautiful music enhancement, every voice and instrument stands out on it's own, like hearing a song for the very first time.
8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.
9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense. Dr. Shulgin wrote that he never got the chance to try THH, but wrote that more studies on it are "badly needed."
10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
Espiridion:
11. Trips (from here on 12/2/2011):
The world is moving in the direction of the Left Brain: technology and science. What the world needs is to move in the direction of Right Brain development: empathy, spirituality, connectedness. Compounds like tetrahydroharmine in Caapi could be said to improve emotional intelligence. Is this component of caapi a smart-nutrient for the right side of the brain? you be the judge.
At 300mg of THH all by itself, there are heavy open-eyed tracers like lightening flashes, and hours of teaching closed eye visions that start with colored sparkles and fireworks (red, green, yellow, blue) that dart around and progress into full-fledged way-beyond 4k visions with eyes closed that are not only static but often animated like slow and high speed movies, but all one monochrome color like green or blue for me, when you add DMT, the visions then become colored and patterning on animals for example will display their associated colors, DMT also adds on to or builds on top the THH visions, expanding them, but the teachings and insights & visions are credited to the Vine, just as Gayle Highpine writes in linked paper:
12. Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher): Unraveling the Mystery of the Origin of Ayahuasca – Ayahuasca.com
Page 154 of "Various Alkaloid Profiles in Decoctions of Banisteriopsis Caapi, 2005": https://kodu.ut.ee/~hellex/aya/kirjandus/keemia/Callaway2005.pdf
Callaway wrote in "The Entheogen Review":
THH blocks serotonin, just like all the major natural oral psychedelics, serotonin blocking results in stimulation, breaking down of barriers and filters, direct access to divine spiritual world, increased visionary power, major beauty, color and music enhancement, euphoria in combo with the DMT. DMT does not block serotonin but requires THH in combo to do this, important teamwork.
5-ht1a agonism is inhibitory and results in serotonin blockage (over 80% of brain 5-ht). Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor. THH or tetrahydroharmine also inhibits the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT).
In contrast, as an example, Cocaethylene (coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, the orally active & potent ingredient formed in the liver from cocaine + ethanol in the 1860's "Vin Mariani" wine popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison and scores of other famous people) increases the levels of serotonergic, noradrenergic, and dopaminergic neurotransmission in the brain by inhibiting the action of the serotonin transporter, norepinephrine transporter, and dopamine transporter. These pharmacological properties make cocaethylene a serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor [SNDRI; also known as a "triple reuptake inhibitor"].
Dr. Nichols (Purdue Scientist authorized to study LSD, from Heffter.org LSD paper): https://www.heffter....20/04/chap6.pdf
waylitjim (April 2005):
https://mycotopia.ne...nescens-merged/
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Ever wonder why many consider the Panaeolus experience incredibly unique?
"They are the cleanest, smoothest, most peacefull mushroom vibe of all the species I have tried. Panaeolus cyanescens and tropicalis rank #1 in my book."
"the highs real clean . its reminds me of the phelix the cat acid from the 80s . just smooth . with little body noise and extreme visuals . a calm lucidty that is like a slice of heaven"
"Pan Cyan (and Trops) are very much worth the effort!!! I have never eaten any Cubes that were as VISUAL as these are. Not to mention a little goes a LONG ways. Gram and a half of these little fellers will blister your brain!"
Psilocybin and psilocin are part of the tryptamine family. Their chemical structure bears close resemblance to that of serotonin.
All Panaeolus species contain the neurotransmitter serotonin. Cubensis and wood lovers do not contain serotonin. The primary effect of psilocin is on the receptors for serotonin and there is evidence that psilocybin reduces the reuptake of serotonin by neurons in the brain allowing this neurotransmitter more time to act in the synapse.
"The occurrence of tryptamine derivatives in Panaeolus cyanescens, also known as Copelandia cyanescens, from Australia, Hawaii and Thailand were investigated. All 70 collections contained psilocin, serotonin and urea. Those from Hawaii were also relatively rich in psilocybin, whereas the species from Australia and Thailand were virtually exempt of this compound.
It is not unthinkable that the ability to biosynthesize psilocin in a number of Panaeolus is a consequece of a genetic accident: initially, these members of the genus probably produced more or important qualites of serotonin until a mutation conferred the ability to produce 4-hydroxylated tryptamines. So far, not other genus or species has been found to accomplish this feat!"
Partial reference from:
Stijve, T. (1992): Psilocin, psilocybin, serotonin and urea in Panaeolus cyanescens from various origin
waylitjim:
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Even with lower levels of psilocybin, Panaeolus are still more potent than Cubensis. Why? Because by weight psilocin is around 1.4 times more potent than psilocybin.
The primary active ingredients of psilocybe mushrooms are psilocybin and psilocin, and to a lesser extent baeocystin and norbaeocystin. The ratio of psilocybin to psilocin varies from species to species.
The primary difference is that psilocin is unstable and it breaks down in the presence of oxygen. If the mushrooms are dried correctly and kept cold, they should suffer very little psilocin break down. Psilocybin on the other hand has been found in a 115-year old mushroom sample.
It is believed that after injestion, psilocybin is easily converted into psilocin and that the pharmacological properties of both compounds are the same.
Asura:
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Pan cyans are faster than cubes and 3-4x more potent. 2g is a full on DMT-like, level 5 trip, so while your yield is less...your magic content is more...and the trips are insanely good. It's the most potent species anyone has a chance of doing indoors with significant yield.
They are harder to fruit but there are plenty of people killing it right now with low tech setups.
I would love to help out on the science...but I am not tripping right now. I could probably recruit some folks on the official pan thread, though.
The link in my sig details how I cultivate them, but an ideal time line is something like:
1. Agar wedge to LC. 5 days to grow out.
2. LC to substrate = 10 days to grow out
3. substrate to tray = 5 days to recover.
4. Case and fruit = 5 days until first pins.
So, wedge to first pins in 25 days. About 3-5 days to harvest. 2nd-x flushes will also be done in 3-5 days. If someone could figure
out how to get the yield and make it as easy as cubes, I'm pretty sure most people would grow these.
I am averaging about 32g dried for one tray (3 quarts substrate), which doesn't sound like much - but that is 16 full on level 5 trips from that.
If I lemon tek 2g of pans it is overpowering. Like forced VR or something. My eyelids cease to exist and the inside of my head and the outside
of my head are one space. Time loops. Living 1000 life times. Alien landscapes. Vision quests. You name it. It's pretty fucking intense and scary
to be honest...I don't do it that often :lol:
A 1g dose is heavenly, though, and much more manageable. Tea makes it easier. Lemon tek is like taking a strong cube trip and compressing it. The
trip moves really, really fast. It's speeded up. The come up is very disorienting. Like not only are you are tripping hard, you're also in a barrel
going over Niagara Falls.
Gordotek:
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3 DIC 2020 A LAS 21:26
New simple method (TEK) for growing Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens, Hawaiians, blue meanies, Pans and Pan cyans):
https://www.patreon....k-44645256?l=es
Questions:
Q: Is there a preferred or recommended strain to use?
A: I do believe strain selection is important, that said I know people have already used my TEK with many different strains and had success so it is not really critical. The "Estero" strain was the best strain that I tested, it is extremely vigorous, potent, and even forms more robust/meaty fruit bodies. There was some doubt at one point that the strain was even pan cyan, some thought it might be pan cambo because it was almost too easy to grow. However thin layer chromatography clearly shows it is not pan cambo, it has the alkaloid potency in the HIGH end of reported ranges for pan cyan. It also meets all of the published morphological descriptions for pan cyan, and even the microscopy work I did show that it is indeed pan cyan:
Estero strain available here:
https://sporesfast.c...n-syringe-kits/
Q: Can I buy a kit for this?
A: YES! See: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767 You will still need to buy a spore syringe and make grain spawn BEFORE buying the kit (or get a free spore print and make your own syringe or put the spores to agar).
June 10 at 7:09 PM, https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
Comparison of Estero (Pan cyan) and Albino Penis Envy (Cubensis) mushrooms via Thin Layer Chromatography: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
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I will create a video explaining how to do this type of analysis, but for now I just wanted to show everyone a comparison between these species. Albino Penis Envy (APE) is widely considered to be one of the most potent cubensis cultivars, it was heavily represented in the latest psilocybin cup (if you want to see my comments/critique of the cup, click the link and scroll down to the bottom where comments are shown, to see comments on a phone you may have to tap settings (in chrome for example)->desktop view).
So how does APE stack up against Estero (pan cyan)?
Each dot in the picture above represents a chemical compound (these are labeled on the left). They are in two vertical columns, so the left side from top to bottom is all Estero, right side is APE. Starting with the two most important, look at the psilocybin and psilocin content - quantification is not precise, but you can estimate based on spot size and darkness, the Estero cultivar is approximately three times as potent as APE (and it would have easily blown all other entries out of the water had it been submitted to the psilocybin cup). This should be a reminder to all to dose appropriately (pan cyan holds the record for most potent mushroom species in the world as per published research).
If you normally take 3 grams of cubensis, try 1g of Estero. It is always better to start with a lower dose and see how you respond before trying anything higher (you may want to start with just 0.5g). There is NO PRIZE for taking the highest dose, in fact there is no documented benefit of any dose beyond about 35mg psilocybin equivalent, just more fear & anxiety for most people.
But there's more to it than just triple the psilocybin and psilocin, Estero also contains baeocystin (hard to see, but its there), urea (quite a bit), and serotonin. None of these compounds can be seen at all in APE. Could these be partly responsible for the difference in anecdotes from user experiences on Estero?
Here are some comments people have sent on this subject:
"I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry. It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses."
"Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'. Not at all so with Pan cyans"
"Penis Envy is and has been overrated. I think any other well sourced Cube is just the same. It’s that cultural conditioning at play."
"lol who needs cubes when you can have Cyanescens! I’ve blessed a few people with them and they are now believers lol."
"When Estero kicked in, I wasn’t disappointed. At one point I forgot I ate Cyanescens and thought I was on a DMT ride! As often happens to me on DMT I was 'connected' to some kind of power cord or machine umbilical that was coming from my wall straight towards me and plugged into my third eye! And I felt the presence of a cosmic nurse at my side. Like she had her hand in my shoulder reassuring me all was ok! Then I was like “f*** I ate mushrooms this ain’t a DMT trip”
"I've taken enough cubes to know Estero is different... 2 grams. Most amazing experience of my life. 10 hours. And another two hours of happiness watching TV and talking about my experience with my wife. In the end I just want to thank you. No comparison."
"OMG, OMG, O. M. G. Had my first deeply religious experience on 2g [estero] yesterday. I have never felt anything like it in my life. It was truly incredible."
"I ended up taking a 1 gram of Estero since I’m used to taking 3-4 grams of cubensis. Man…you were not kidding about the potency of these. 1 gram easily felt like 4-4.5 grams of cubensis to me. These were by far the best visuals on mushrooms I’ve ever had. Also, the euphoria was quite intense, and giggle sessions were uncontrollable. All in all, I love pan cyans and they’ll likely be my go to. I’ll likely still grow cubensis for microdosing as well as less potency for sharing with others."
"Experienced people do sometimes doubt ones sanity trying to explain just how deep Estero gets on what some call a "micro dose" the pan experience for me is the most rewarding substance I've ever ingested and half reduced my dose and frequency of use to fine tune the benefits, plus stopped using synthetic drugs completely and have been experiencing recovery i didn't really know I need but pretty sure i do."
"I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss." [Gordo note: 2g is too much for most people, be cautious]
"Funny because I went to an Ayahuasca ceremony in May and the Shaman told me to start growing pans... he said, “Cubes are for the people. Pans are for the elevated.”
"First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift."
"There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis"
One of this years funniest/best psychedelic reveals was the guy who actually came up with Penis Envy (the best selling cubensis cultivar of all time), when interviewed by Hamilton Morris essentially said (my paraphrase) 'Eh, it's still just a cube, and cubes don't do it for me. I find the Cyanescens far superior (they have entities)!'
Haha. So the guy who created the most popular cubensis cultivar in the world doesn't even like cubensis. Eventually I think most in the grower community will come to prefer other species. I would still like to see some reputable published research comparing user experience by species (this is challenging to do but worth a try). As an aside, if you listen to that Hamilton interview, the PE guy says a lot of "out there" things that deserve to be challenged, every so called claim of "supernatural powers" has always failed rigorous testing and he is no exception.
The psychedelic community has a long history of nonsense associated with it, and as far as I'm concerned, its time to do things differently, and I will always call out the nonsense. I have plenty more to say about Casteneda, astral projection, and more, but don't want to get side tracked.
Love life, stay strong, and be well.
[Notes on sample preparation and procedure for the above shown TLC]
100mg of carefully weighed, blended/homogenized mushroom powder from each sample was added to a small beaker, 5ml of methanol was added over top while also washing down the sides of the beaker. The beakers were covered then transferred to an ultrasonic bath in hot tap water (120F), sonicated for 8 minutes, 5 minute rest, followed by another 8 minute sonication. Samples were allowed to settle for 10 minutes but no filtration, decanting, or centrifuging was done. A calibrated micro pipettor (5µl) was used to transfer 10µl of each sample to the chromatography sheet. Sheet was developed in a sealed glass chamber saturated with eluent consisting of methanol and ammonia (100:1.5 mixing ratio). After development the sheet was allowed to dry while undergoing ultraviolet examination, then freshly mixed Ehrlich's reagent was applied by spray bottle until the sheet was saturated, followed by drying with a heat gun. Sheet was periodically photographed every 5 minutes until colors reached full development (maximum brightness).
https://www.patreon.com/posts/22774475
gordotek FAQ
https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)
https://sporesfast.c...varieties-copy/
estero syringe
March 5 at 8:40 AM
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)
I'm really excited about this because I have been trying to get a vendor to make kits suitable for my pan cyan TEK for more than a year and no one seemed able or willing to do it, people have been asking me where they could buy the substrate, etc. and I had no good source UNTIL TODAY! Midwest grow kits finally put together a kit that matches my recommended specifications. As far as I know, they are the ONLY vendor out there that is selling a kit like this. I'm also very pleased with where they priced it (currently just $35). Their kit includes properly pasteurized manure/straw based substrate (3 hour hot water immersion bath pasteurization process) with separate casing mix and the kit even includes the cake pans with clear lids. So with this kit, all a person will need is the grain spawn and a humidifier (note that they even sell a pretty cool looking humidifier with a long bendable hose that has great reviews so if you need a humidifier you might consider that too).
Midwest set me up with an affiliate link which I am very grateful for, any sales that happen after clicking my link help support this channel but I'm not promoting this just because I have an affiliate link, this is genuinely the only kit of its kind on the internet that I know of and the price is unbeatable too.
https://midwestgrowk.../GrassLoversKit
If the link doesn't take you directly to it, type "grass lover" into the search bar (the humidifier and grain jars should show up at the bottom of the grass lover kit page as well if you want those items).
Note: I wouldn't promote this without testing it first, they sent me an early version of the kit, I will probably make a full video review of the kit and add to this post when I have more to share, but for now I'll just say that everything looks fantastic! There was enough substrate in the kit to make 3 standard size cake pans, and the Estero cultivar RIPPED though this substrate reaching full colonization in 4-5 days with no signs of contamination. Looks to me like they got it right.
So someone who wanted to simplify the process of growing pan cyans could just order some sterile grain jars (Midwest also sells those), order a spore syringe (as far as I know, only one vendor sells Estero spore syringes) just inject the grain jars, wait for colonization, order the grass lover kit, dump the substrate from the kit into the cake pan that also comes with the kit, dump the colonized grains on top of that, mix, cover with clear lids, wait for colonization (preferably in warm temps 75-85F), then remove the clear lids and add the casing mix from the kit, humidify on a timer or spray down heavily several times per day, and you should get nice yields. Couldn't be much easier than that.
Gordotek:
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Dec 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM
New simple method (TEK) for growing Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens, Hawaiians, blue meanies, Pans and Pan cyans)
[Disclaimer: this work was done in a location where it is legal and I suggest you do likewise]
A video for this TEK is now available, but I like to make a written version of my TEKs in addition to the videos, and people have been requesting this one quite a lot, so here it is (I will update this article with any new developments, research, or improvements). Note: A vendor has stepped up to supply grow kits suitable for this TEK, these are NOW AVAILABLE, for full description see: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767 or click/tap here for the direct link to the kit.
UPDATES:
In July 2022 The Estero cultivar won the Cultivar Cup "Most Potent Mushroom" with over 3% combined active alkaloid content. I believe even higher numbers will be achieved in the future.
In August 2022 an Estero sample was HPLC tested at 3.43%).
In November 2022 I set a new WORLD RECORD for most potent mushroom ever tested (an astonishing 7.06% psilocybin equivalent), with the Tamarind Tree British Virgin Islands cultivar of pan cyan.
I also created a version of this TEK for mini greenhouses here.
First some background, why even bother to grow Pan cyans? Many used to consider this species harder to grow and yields are often lower compared to other species. So what's the point of growing it? I was a skeptic myself, but as I read more and more, my curiosity was peaked. First, it is well documented that this species can be more than three times as potent vs. cubensis, but that alone doesn't really matter -- what difference does it make if one takes a gram of pan cyans or 3g of cubensis? And yet anecdotes consistently suggested that there IS a difference.
Some old timers describe this species as "the crown jewel" of psychedelic mushrooms. Some growers will ONLY grow this species. Various comments suggest that this species produces a different type of experience, common in descriptions are: less nausea, pleasant body high, better visuals, low body load, less fear and anxiety, euphoria, smoother and gentler on the mind. I wondered, is there a plausible scientific explanation for this? Aren't the active compounds the same?
Well it turns out there are actually dozens if not hundreds of compounds in these mushrooms and they aren't all that well understood yet, in fact it was only recently that scientists even discovered beta carbolines in some species of psychedelic mushrooms. Some species of psychedelic mushrooms contain aeruginascin which is associated with anecdotes of euphoria and aeruginascin was even found in very small quantities in cubensis mushrooms so it could be in pan cyans too but as far as I know no one has looked for it yet).
Another possible contributor to the different type of experience is baeocystin and its dephosphorylated cousin norpsilocin which also seem to be associated with anecdotes of better trips.
It is plausible that the specific chemistry of pan cyans is responsible for the positive characteristics that have been attributed to it. Researchers also documented in 1992 that pan cyans produce serotonin which may also be contributing in some way to the anecdotes of positive mood (same paper documented 'slight euphoria' in test subjects, but I think their samples were weak in general, also note that dietary serotonin is not known to cross the blood brain barrier).
Because pan cyans require a much smaller dose (due to their potency) you get reduced mushroom fiber/bulk in your GI tract when consuming them which may have benefits with regard to comfort and reduced nausea. All this said, a lot more research needs to be done on this matter. I would LOVE to see some double blind studies conducted to properly compare species in a careful, dose controlled manner.
Other anecdotes found in published literature corroborate the anecdotes found online. For example see A Novel Experience with Panaeolus A Case Study from Hawaii (Journal of Psychoactive Drugs): "I experienced stimulation which seemed to involve both a psychic and a somatic component resulting in a pleasant sense of wellbeing. No one present expressed any feelings of dysphoria or unpleasant somatic disturbances, and no adverse reactions were observed throughout the evening... When looking out the window some of us perceived moisture and felt as though it were raining, but when David and I went outside later in the evening, we discovered that it was in fact quite dry.
We concluded that the robust sound of cicada may have given us the impression of rain and that perhaps we had experienced hallucinatory synesthesia. The ocean was vividly glowing in the distance, the clouds blowing across the sky were magnificent, and the entire setting produced a truly spectacular feeling of being aIive."
I studied most of the TEKs out there for growing this species and looked at all of the videos on YouTube of this species growing out in nature. Pan cyans thrive on massive amounts of fresh/moving air, and wild mushroom hunters report that it pops up often after 3 or 4 back to back days of rain and high humidity.
It is often found in wide open, breezy fields. It likes massive humidity and massive air exchange. Growers have devised all sorts of complicated and expensive ways to meet these requirements, sometimes using mini greenhouses, humidistats, ventilation systems, aquarium pumps, bubbler machines, and more. After some experimentation, research, and trial and error, I found a much simpler way that is very effective and requires minimal investment. Here is what I came up with that worked well:
logical chaos:
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I love Pan cyans. I used to live in Hawaii, and in the raining season, me and my friend used to pick them.
I loved the trip. It was soooo gentle and peaceful, and "loving". They loved me :lol: Never a bad time on pan cyans.
They are truly mystical, much better experience than the dealer cubenis i bought in Hawaii. Those felt like a synethic drug. Still enjoyable but pan cyans comforted my soul.
LysergicRide:
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I have done a lot of LSD and mushrooms only a few times. The only good mushroom trip I had was with some Pan Cyan's from the wild. They seemed to be a lot more like LSD... Very visual with a lot of self control/confidence and little anxiety or paranoia.
With regular shrooms, having not had enough dose I felt kind of anxious, paranoid, and dreamy like I didn't have as much control/confidence and less awareness.... but my results could be skewed based on my lack of experience.
magictrip:
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I would say they are almost without any anxiety. Panaeolus are quite vigorous and clear.
And they are way more euphoric.
Pans are dung lovers and I just feed them with horse poo. Pans only on grains are weak and less potent, trip is different. They just need dung.
Horse poo is the best in my opinion but you can use sheep, cattle, bull, goat, elephant, bunny dung. Collect it, dry and you can use it in substrates. I love to grow pans just on manure-straw mix, soak it for one day and put it into jars. Manure-straw have to be airy fluffy in jars, pans love airy substrate. As it is colonized just make casing and get pans in one week. Very easy. So, if you have no dung just collect it, there are a lot of choices around.
Yes, I have compared. What are you interested in? Overall, semilanceata is more similar to panaeolus, than to cubensis. Pans are smooth but potent, same as semilanceata. I would say panaeolus are way more visual. Visuals are more geometric and fractal. Although the trip is different.
Visuals and feelings during the trip, pan cyan trips are way more visual and fractal. Panaeolus trip could be more deep, more introspective and touching, in my opinion.
Anyway pans are much more similar to semilanceata than cubes.
Yes, this is an awesome specie of magic shrooms. It provides very intensive, potent, deep and visual trip. I very love them. Of course, give it a shot. I'm sure those shroomies won't leave you indifferent.
joedirt:
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It is well worth the effort. It took me a while to get it right and the yields are no where near what I can do for cubes.
However, Pan Cyan's are a MUCH smoother trip IMHO. I don't notice much of the dark anxious come up that I typically go through with cubes.
Cubes are an old ally, but once I finally procured pan cyan spores and grew them it was a game changer.
Also another think I really like about Pan's Cyan's. They are small mushrooms. I measure dose size by the number of shrooms.
1-3 threshold.
3-5 solid trip.
5-8 hard trip. (Have not done, just my estimate)
8+ heroic dose. (Have not done. Just an estimate)
I like to just toss 1-2 pan cyan caps into a batch of aya instead of MHRB.
Yeah man I'm guessing you will love Pan Cyans.
https://inoculatethe...ns-vs-cubensis/
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To learn more about the cultivation of these mushrooms, please refer to Jake Oncid’s “Jok Tek” on the Shroomery.
https://www.reddit.c...cyans_vs_cubes/
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Cyans are definitely more potent. I have repeatedly experienced ego death from doses around 2.5g while an eighth of cubes just gave me cool visuals.
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Cyans are more potent by a large margin. When grown indoors on a proper substrate I never take more than 1.5g of potent panaeolus species. 0.75 to 1g is my comfort zone.
TheNotoriousBIIIG
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They are so much cleaner ! The trip is shorter but more intense. The visuals are just incredible. You feel very light compared to cubensis and the headspace is more manageable ( at least at lower doses). Weird thing about them is that they contain serotonin. Maybe that can explain the difference in effects ?
A bit harder than cubes but not by much ! They require precise temp ( higher than cubes and they almost can't survive under ~22°c). They also require manure and a casing. But other than that it's basically the same as cubes in terms of difficulty. The mycelium is way more agressive so they're actually faster to grow
Samwise2512
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species.
I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this. For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered.
Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.
By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect.
Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.
So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.
I concur 100% with this! I think people who think psilocybin mushrooms are all the same have never sampled Pan cyans...the induce a much higher order experience than P. cubensis, IMO. For me the "Hawaiian" strain of Pan cyan reliably and consistently yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary and blissful, serene state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being very smooth on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.
It is worth noting that P. cubensis tends to be shunned for shamanic use by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups. Of all the species I've sampled so far (P. cubensis, P. semilanceata, P. cyanescens, P. galindoi, Pan cyanescens), the latter are definitely my favourite.
Other species held in very regard by indigenous Mexican shamans for their experiential qualities include P. mexicana, P. hoogshagenii, P. caerulescens and P. zapotecorum which I think are also worthy of exploration.
Regarding the higher reported serotonin levels, serotonin cannot pass the blood brain barrier so will not have a pharmacological influence on one's trip. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin levels.
I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.
An interesting and relevant study on Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms you may well already have encountered:
http://repository.na...document/569927
I largely agree, and you're right about the serotonin. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin.
I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.
I've only sampled the Hawaiian strain of Pan cyan, but I think they're fantastic. Definitely at least 2x as potent, but also very smooth and easy on one's system compared to Cubensis which can have more of a body load, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts, and that alone changes the feel of them. Closer to LSD in this regard, but obviously with the earthy feel of the mushroom.
Pan cyans for me have consistently yielded a really beautiful and blissful bemushroomed state, I find them to reliably induce a really clean, clear, crystalline experience, and much more colorful than Cubensis with really detailed shimmering visuals and deep euphoria.
By comparison Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, more prone to dark-tinged experiences (sometimes without an obvious reason; things can just feel off), and just not as clean/clear feeling and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Great mushrooms I can definitely recommend highly.
u/Cuck_Liddell
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5 years ago, trip Report: Panaeolus Cyanescens are the true Magic Mushroom. I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again.
So a bit of background: For the past 5 months I've been depressed and unemployed, and I've had nothing but bad trips on Cubensis in that time, where I feel extreme dread and hopelessness, ruminating on what a piece of shit I've been my whole life, and sometimes being borderline suicidal. I'd been growing shrooms since I already had the materials, and wanted to occupy my time. Despite being depressed and supposedly knowing better, I'd trip hoping to gain some new insight, only to have yet another extremely harsh, difficult experience. Repeat this at least 6 times.
Then I had my first harvest of Jamaican Panaeolus Cyanescens. For those that don't know, these are considered by many experienced members of the psychedelic community, including one of the oldest and most prolific spore suppliers (Ryche Hawk of mushrooms.com and previously thehawkseye.com), to be the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom. They are much more potent than Cubensis, with reports of being 3-7 times more potent, and also contain serotonin, which is unusual for psilocybin mushrooms. People describe them as having a smoother, more positive trip than Cubensis, and cause much less nausea due having to consume less.
Anyway, despite knowing it was probably a bad idea due to only having bad trips for the past 5 months, I decided to consume my entire harvest of Pans, 24.2g fresh in a lemon smoothie. I just had to test them and see if they would really give me a different, and hopefully positive experience. They tasted much better than disgusting, funky, musty Cubensis, and didn't make me gag like cubes do. I watched a short 30min film (The Man Who Planted Trees) to wait for them to kick in. I began to feel the familiar heavy body feeling and after the movie, I turn off the lights and lie down and close my eyes to see and think and feel what is to come.
Mushroom visuals are always different and impossible to describe, so I'll skip trying for the most part, though they were impossibly beautiful. What came first was a sense of the energy of the universe taking me in on a wonderful cosmic journey. During my previous bad trips, I'd always felt like I wasn't good enough, but here I was being shown emphatically that I was, and everything that worried me didn't matter. I felt extreme awe and gratitude at not just the journey I was on, but just being alive, just existing. Soon, just the act breathing deeply became an exercise in loving myself. After a while of being in awe at The Other Side, I opened my eyes to see my dark room covered in geometric fractals.
It was like the universe was saying, "How dare you even think of having any remotely negative thought? Let me show you how wonderful and beautiful everything is." Throughout the trip, I was laughing and smiling more genuinely than I ever have in my life just to exist and be alive. Even the terms "laughing" and "smiling" don't do any remote justice for what I was doing. I was in an absolute fit of love and joy at the beauty of existence. I was able to forgive myself for what a piece of shit I'd been and everyone who had wronged me. Even as I puked painfully into a tote I wisely put down beforehand, I was grateful for even the experience of puking. This bliss continued for several hours. This was my second true breakthrough, the first being one where I took 28g of Cubensis in tea and unfortunately lost control and made a huge insane ruckus, flipping my mattress, trashing my room, and waking the neighbors. Learning a valuable lesson from the first time, I was able to just take in the experience in a more controlled way. Despite being my second breakthrough and taking possibly the highest regarded species, the experience exceeded my wildest expectations.
I began to return to normal, and before going to sleep and after waking up, there was quite an afterglow and I could enjoy mundane things in an extent that I normally wouldn't in the weeks before. Though Cubensis also gives such an afterglow even after harsh, negative trips, both the afterglow and the trip quality and positivity of Panaeolus Cyanescens completely blows Cubensis out of the water. They're not even in the same league, and compared to Pans, Cubes are fucking garbage. I'm finishing growing the Cubensis trays I've already colonized and tossing my 32 quart jars of Cubensis with some coir outside in a completely half assed outdoor patch, only for experimentation and because I hate waste. From now on, I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again. I can see now why the native Mexicans regarded Cubensis as the least desirable psychedelic mushroom. Cubensis are just the easiest psilocybin mushroom to grow, but Panaeolus are the true Magic Mushroom.
Random Notes:
-There are other contenders for the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom, like the woodlovers Psilobybe Cyanescens and Azurescens, which have a higher raw potency, and Psilocybe Mexicana, the sclerotia producing species known as Teonanacatl, or "Flesh of the Gods." Mexicana were the highest regarded by the native Mexicans, and it's possible Cubensis and even Paneolus weren't as highly regarded because, being dung lovers, they were a possible invasive species and reminder of European conquest. Woodlovers, while being extremely potent, are well known to have the side effect of temporary paralysis.
-The all encompassing forgiveness doesn't dramatically change yourself for the rest of your life and for me it wore off for the most part within 2 days. Still, it was quite an amazing feeling and I don't want to downplay it too much.
-Though I managed to keep it together this time, it's very easy to imagine someone losing their shit during a breakthrough, as I did during my first. Take extreme caution. The first time, I'm very lucky I didn't hurt myself, break anything, or get arrested or committed to the mental hospital.
-I'm not entirely sure if my positive experience was due to the fact that I took the much stronger, serotonin containing Pans. Before this, I thought I'd need to get my life together or at least be on the right path in order to have a good trip. I've had equally intense visuals on Cubensis as this Panaeolus trip, but had a bad trip, so I don't think it was the sheer amount of actives I consumed that gave me such a great experience. I'm eager to do more research and testing.
-Though I now consider it the best experience of my life, trumping my previous breakthrough where I tripped even harder and was generally happier with life, it was not completely without negatives. It was more like a crash of emotions, but wasn't anywhere near as negative or dreadful as the feeling Cubensis gave me. More like an honest, but more gentle assessment of my life. This much more manageable mindset only lasted about an hour towards the end of the trip, and I was happy again. I've still heard people can have bad experiences on Panaeolus Cyanescens, but it surprised me to have such an amazing trip at the end of a particularly bad day. It's possible my negativity was all tapped out, IDK...
-In my humble opinion, I think 1 gram of wet Panaeolus is even better than 1 gram of dry Cubensis, making them 10X more potent, in addition to the more positive and smooth experience, easier consumption due to amount and taste, and much less nausea. Of course, it's a bit unfair to compare wet to dry, and it's also possible my Cubensis just suck due to genetics, growing conditions, skill, etc.
w0rdnerd
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I haven't tripped on Panaeolus Cyanescens in years! You're totally right that the experience blows cubes outta the water. I'll always love cubensis, but Panaeolus Cyanescens Hawaii and Mexicana are by far my favorite species to explore.
Thanks for the detailed trip report, I'm inspired to start to some plates. My last Pan Hawaiian and Pan Cambos plates tammed out or didn't ta
w0rdnerd
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You're so right about the come up and body load with Pans! It's one of the reasons why Pan Cyans and Mexicana are my favorites to explore! Cubes always make me feel so heavy and I often find myself myself having to lay down until the come down starts.
Umaiqi
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It looks very introspective. I like the details ! Do you know about serotonin effect ? I didn't read anything about it, do you have the source please ?
Speaking about potency, copelandia/paneolus cyanescens looks to have around more than .7% of psilocybin and more than .6% of psilocin (http://www.agiati.it...art11_gartz.pdf) while cubes have .6 of each (https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml). I don't know the influence of other substances ?
jimmy_luv
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They are electric! Very different feelings. The ceiling is way higher.. like I can't eat too many cubes but I could definitely eat too many pans. The comedown is clean too. Visuals are way more pronounced and color saturation is at a max. Really wonderful fruits.
Fartz_McKenzie
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The chitin isn’t as robust on pan cyan as with cubes allowing for easier digestion. As for headspace I’d say its my favorite space. I feel most consider pan cyan to be 2-2.5x stronger than cubes. And they taste waaaay better. When fresh they taste like a raw button mushroom.
Samwise2512
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species. I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this.
For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered. Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.
By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me.
I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.
So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.
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Growing pans is definitely easier if you live in a region where they naturally grow. If you're not in the tropics then you've got to keep your temp and humidity very steady, and they're definitely manure lovers.
The high they give you is second to none. I've only ever felt true euphoria on pan cyans. Not just euphoria, but true love. That's the only way I can describe it.
The visuals were like I was walking through layered films of stars and planets with a geometric translucent blanket making waves on the ceiling. It was like I was seeing the entire universe, but I was too big to notice the finer details.
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Hi, to introduce myself to the community I thought I would share an experience I had last night. Psilocybin is beautiful.
Dose: 2.8g Panaeolus Cyanescens Powdered in lemon juice left to sit 15 minutes. Lots of cannabis and THC oil.
As the sun went down I prepared my dose, taking slightly less than I had planned, due to the fact that these mushrooms were incredibly potent and I had not had such a large dose in years. I chopped up 2.8 grams of very dry, very well preserved Panaelous Cyaneascens, more than twice as strong as cubensis, and let them soak in lemon juice for 15 minutes. I tend to plan a trip and then postpone it more often than not, and the second I threw the mushrooms in, all doubts and anxieties faded. I was doing this, and it was going to be beautiful.
I said goodnight to my family and chugged the mushroom concoction down in one, washing it down with some honey green tea.
Having tripped on a lower dose 72 hours before, I wasn’t entirely sure I would trip any harder. The come up was slow and smooth, and it didn’t take long for the lights and movie to become a distraction, and that mystical mushroom feeling to start bubbling inside me.
A big fan of THC, I had melted some incredibly potent honey oil onto some weed flowers and chopped it up, packing a pipe and a bong. Once the dizzy almost “drunken” feeling became more and more pronounced, I put my headphones on and let the psytrance play. Cannabis always pushes me over the edge on a come up, and hitting the bong I felt a wave of relaxed euphoria and reassurance.
After about 45 mins of ingesting the dose, I was tripping enough to be seeing colours floating around and intensifying closed eye visuals began. I smoked more and more until I had my fill and lay down on the bed doing some breath work.
I hadn’t kept track of time, turning my phone off for the trip, but I decided to sneak a peak at the time, as I was attempting to judge how much more intensity to expect. The fact that I was already having full-fledged psychedelic CEVs so soon was a nice surprised, and I embraced the fact that I was in for something exceptional.
As the mushrooms continued to intensify, I studied the visuals and noticed that they were constructed out of infinitely rapidly changing strings of colours composed of tiny hyper-complex symbols. Blue triangles that unfolded into orange hexagons and purple spinning squares, alongside millions of similar strings of complex shifting symbol strings. As the trip intensified further I opened my eyes occasionally and noticed that in the darkness these strings of colour were now visible in the air in front of me.
I held my hands in front of my face and played with my fingers, dancing with the energy. As I focused I was able to draw by spinning my fingers in the air, generating beautiful and complex ribbon like patterns of colour on a tiny scale that I could see perfectly.
Thoroughly enjoying this new state I had discovered, I decided to take off the headphones and sit cross-legged in darkness, meditating and breathing. To my surprise, the darkness actually intensified the experience, and this beautiful visual experience became entirely all encompassing. Wherever I looked I was surrounded by intense psychedelic patterns and it felt as if my field of vision had somehow widened.
The effects lasted for several hours, and as I came down I turned my phone on. I made a few sound recordings to draw from, ensuring I captured the experience. I then attempted a game of online chess, feeling very mentally sharp. This was a tad boring and I stopped soon, and resorted to just laying down and enjoying the last of the trip with closed eyes. I felt very social, very empathetic, and full of love and joy.
This variety of mushroom, for whatever reason, had a particularly nice afterglow. For hours I lay in bed, meditating on the feeling of one-ness and love I could feel radiating through my tired body. I took the occasional bong rip, and at first it brought the trip back a few times, and then I was left with just a slightly altered visual perception and an intense body high. The afterglow was spent repeating this process of smoking cannabis and meditating on the feeling, trying hard to carry it out of the trip. I was quite successful in doing so, and laying there the last 2 hours felt almost like a perfect dose of mdma but straight from mother nature.
Do you guys feel that psilocybin tolerance is exaggerated? I have been finding that two nights off, one night on is enough to reset me. This is a special "trip month" for me, I'm using mushrooms to help with anxiety, depression and quitting alcohol, and have had great success. I feel like a new person.
For those who can relate to this post, what's the "next level" like? I could see adding a gram producing even crazier effects.
This is the first time I've been overwhelmed by beauty and been so able to interact with my trip, yet I had my full sense of self the whole time. Is ego loss inevitable at some doses? What is that like and is it enjoyable to most experienced trippers?
Long story short, that was a next level for me. Using the "level" system I would guess somewhere just shy of level 4, but beyond level 3.
I still have 5.5g of these and I can't wait to dive deeper.
depopulator:
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Level 4 trip: 1.5 g Panaeolus cyanescens, Lemon tek, SSRI and folklore
#23277323 - 05/27/16 12:14 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)
I moved up into the mountains above the valley of San José, the capital city of Costa Rica. The region is famed for its long history of witches and witchcraft. Some of the highest peaks, which stand within a mile of my home, have protruding rocks which were said to be the abode of a famous local witch of yore. It is said that this witch, that went by the name of Zarate, had met a spirit called El Dueño del monte (The Lord of the Mountain), and that this spirit had introduced her to Lucifer.
I had read about María Sabina, the original curandera in México, who introduced the first ethnomycologists into the mushroom experience, and figured that Zarate, the witch, was probably an aboriginal curandera that used traditional medicine and shamanism and was therefore demonized by the local catholic community. It seemed logical to me that the Dueño del Monte spirit, was probably a psychedelic plant, of which there are several in the surrounding area (psilocybe and panaeolus mushrooms, bufo toads, datura and brugmansia, etc.). The descriptions of the Dueño del monte is that it is a large man with scraggly long hair and fur, covered in fireflies and that it is said to protect the mountain from poachers and other destructors of nature. In this sense, the spirit is similar to the Wendigo, Bigfoot or Yeti figures of other latitudes. The introduction to Lucifer seemed to me the description of a psychedelic experience where Lucifer would identify with the great god Pan, ruler of nature, with nature itself, then, as an alien other in contrast with humans.
Enticed by this folkloric interpretative run I decided to venture into the mountain and try to find the Dueño de Monte. First trip: within an hour of entering a pasture at the end of the road in the higher reaches of the mountain I start spotting clusters of panaeolus cyanescens in cow paddies. I collected maybe 30 mushrooms.
I brought them back and dried them with a fan blowing over them for a day. I then invited my girlfriend, who is currently taking Altruline, a Serotonine Selective Reuptake Inhibitor, to try them and steeped 3 grams (1.5g per each of us) in lemon for half an hour, as suggested in the lemon tek recipe. We then drank the lemon with some pink lemonade chasers and waited. Within 15 minutes I was feeling stoned and heavy limbed, she reported only the mildest sensations.
Within one hour I was tripping extremely hard: the lights from the city seemed to coalesce themselves into brilliant scintillating shapes of tigers and rise from the ground, geometry in my room started to fall apart, all lines standing on their own as if flowing in space, the floor turned a glowing golden mother of pearl hue and tiger shaped patterns etched themselves into them. This was a very intense trip, I had not expected this from 1.5grams and I started to panic and seek comfort in embracing my girlfriend which kept complaining that she could barely feel anything. She could tell how intense my trip was from the way my eyes were wide open and my jaw kept dropping at everything I looked at.
At some point the city lights raised themselves into an ancient, colossal protrusion of coral shapes made of light. It seemed perfectly clear to me this was some sort of alien city, using alien here not as extraterrestrial, but as deeply, perturbingly strange. The plants out in front had massed themselves into strange ominous creatures part insects part Geiger like aliens and I could feel that the filters we normally use to interpret what we see and reduce it to simple concepts had fallen and that I could now see the truly strange life forms that surrounded me in everyday life in their true otherworldly guise.
This was proving to be too much for me so I decided to close my eyes and it was at this point that a new "space" opened up where I could see an helicoidal spiral, much like the dna structure, and from it a serpent-insect lifeform uncoiled itself, as if it had been hiding there for a very long time and started speaking to me in a language not of this earth. I then could see this creature being given birth too, writhing with multiple conical tentacles and uncoiling from itself and expanding.
The long and short of it is that I freaked out, started sweating profusely and gagging and decided that I was having a bad trip so asked my girlfriend to come down to the TV with me and put on some Katty Perry videos. That seemed to cut the crazy stuff short and the rest of the trip resolved itself into a mellow happy dancing and giggling fest. I have to say I was greatly relieved to get away from this creature that I now am convinced inhabits the nether regions of my psyche.
Thinking back on it I would have to classify this as a level 4 trip, very very intense. My girlfriend on the other hand, could not get past some mild color changing and distortions. She thinks she got a level 1 trip. She even went down and ate another gram to see if she could launch off properly, but nothing happened. We have speculated that the SSRI either blocked the psilocyn or made so much serotonin available that there were fewer receptors for the psilocyn to attach to.
I am also convinced that my interpretation of the local witches and spirit folklore is correct. I have come out of the trip with a great and renewed respect for the strangeness and profundity of nature and of our own constitution and difference as humans. Make no mistake about it, we are the aliens.
Additional to this I keep thinking about the information I seem to have received. Is it possible that we as humans are different because somehow a mutation in our dna, possibly involving a virus or some dna altering organism, fused information into our constitution that is absolutely alien to the larger natural matrix of the world? I have no hard answer for this, but that is what I gather from it.
Finally, I seriously think the lemon tek is unnecessary, there might be some sort of appropriateness to the fact that psilocybin takes a while to metabolize in the body, so you come up slow and easy. Lemon tek can unless the experience on you too suddenly, causing great anxiety. I say: respect the mushroom, it has evolved thus and really needs no tampering with.
discozone:
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Thank you for your trip report. I also live in San Jose and picked some pan cyans from a local field a few days ago. Dried, they came out to be about 4 grams.
HB (42,528 posts):
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if they are true blue cyanescens, i think half to 3/4 eighth is good if you want a high level 3 or so, and a full eighth for your world to just disappear
be careful an eighth of cyanescens is FUCKING POWERFUL. make sure you are truly ready for a journey where you really will be stuck in that little void in space where time does not exist in any shape or form. when i dosed a full cyanescens trip time STOPPED at 2:12 am for about, lemme see, a few days (in shroom terms -- I felt like I was gone for just about forever)
let me put it this way -- when ONE minute went by, my friend and I would become ecstatic. at points I was almost positive time was going back and forth, and that all the clocks were going at different speeds. we were listening to Meddle, and I "knew" that the cd was playing in the same void as we were in, because the cd seemed to be playing back and forth and stopping, at times. god that was a fuckin trip. if only we did it outside ...
be ready, this isn't an easy trip. cyanescens will emotionally and mentally blow your mind to pieces like no other shroom that I have taken -- the visuals usually are quite small but detailed and quite animated, almost like acid. but it is all about the mindfuck, that's where this shroom stands tall
chuck.hntr:
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First time eating Pan Cy's 1g.
#26894015 - 08/22/20 06:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)
Hi Shroomery, I wanted to share this experience, it would be great to hear your comments and responses. As posted in the title this was my first Panaeolus cyanescens trip from a few nights ago.
Fist off I had not eaten anything for 7 hours and had been thinking about this trip for 3 days eating healthy and not drinking alcohol.
I went to a local canyon and posted up on a large rock outcropping(see pic). I squeezed 2 limes in a glass and put the mushrooms in mashed them around and then added some water to cover them and let sit for 15min stirring occasionally.
I ingested the liquid and mushrooms at 6:10pm
At 6:30 only 20mins after ingesting and they started to come on hard and fast.
They came in strong in waves, when a wave would roll in my vision would lock into whatever I was looking mostly sections of the rocks near me. While locked into these viewpoints a few phenomena would occur, if I was looking a rock in closer proximity, my vision would very slowly zoom into the frame, every small form and texture would develop incredibly full forms and appear to not only be alive but embedded with ancient human like entities.
In the beginning these waves were brief and when I would break from it I would have a sip of water, I would also get waves of fear and panic, wondering how I would get home, how intense is this going to get? Did I do too much? Also feelings of doubt, I shouldn’t have done this, I’m stuck here, I need to leave immediately. How long will this last for I think I've had enough of this.
These are the feelings that in the past have spiraled out and lead to a dreadful agonizing long experience. When they would come on I would take deep breaths and say, I am safe, there is actually no where I need to be, this state is temporary, let these feeling wash over me. This time and trip is a gift to myself there is no rush to be anywhere. All these feeling recurred 5-6 times but I was able to breath through them and let them subside in relatively short time.
As the wave periods got longer so did the intensity of the visions. The large rocks began to look like craggy eggs that I could see into. Almost as if the were snow globes, the scenes inside were dense tightly packed with entities almost like transformers but organic rather than mechanical, their coloring was similar to the exterior coloring of the rocks and the rough shapes appeared to be beings crouched or curled up in them. During these heavy waves I felt paralyzed I knew I was in my body but could not feel it, all I had was my vision which was tethered to the current fixed viewpoint.
Overall the trip was amazing I was shocked how it peaked so early but then lasted for many hours at a great manageable intensity. I'm curious if other people often feel like they cannot move and are paralyzed at times during a trip? The beginning of the trip was the heaviest experience mushroom experience I've ever had. Thx for reading.
https://www.shroomer...Number/25925194
JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens
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1g of CCs has had me tripping harder than anything, I've never done Cubensis, but I've done 2c-e (18mg), 2c-i (25mg) , LSD (~300 mics) and 1g Copelandia Cyanescens with copious weed had me tripping harder than any of em. I should think 1g of CC's correlates to more than 2-3g of cubes. Probably a ++++ experience for some of it, but I'm not too sure what that means? I couldn't make sense of who I was or where I was, I felt "lost in time", everything was just swirling psychedelic colours, I had no perception of anything except how beautiful this state was, also that was the strongest euphoria of my life.
I've done half g's of them twice before, once without weed, which gave me a subtle but really philosophical and euphoric trip, and once with weed which gave me the same thing but with quite strong visuals and more confusion.
Oh don't underestimate the Hawaiians! They're damn good shrooms, and if you smoke weed on them, expect the psychedelia to increase ten-fold.
.5gs will be a good fun dose that you wont regret. You could probably afford to go up towards 1g seeing as you're experienced with 2c's but don't expect as little as some people in this thread have been saying. I wouldn't reccomend more than 1g unless you have done big doses of the 2c's.
Length is about 6hours, peaks from 1.5-3hrs, takes about 30 mins to start feeling it. Then another 30 mins to really start. (if you're going to smoke weed, do it at about 45 mins in! Makes the trip SO good, if you do it too early it wont boost the trip as much, and if you do it too late... well you just wont be able to smoke after like.. 1.5 hours in
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snowydaytoday.....I've never had Pan Cyans (so please take this with a grain of salt)....just Cubes, but many times
If I dose once every 6 0r 7 days, I could stay at as little or as much as I want and not suffer any kind of tolerance issue.
If I dose 2 days in a row, I need approximately twice as much the second days.
If I dose day 1 and 3, about 1.8 times as much
Day 1 and 4, about 1.5-1.6 as much
Day 1 and 5 (what you're doing), approximately 1.4 times as much.
Unless I go 6 days between trips on shrooms, the newest trip seems to lack a certain sparkle. The OEV's are the first to go, and the CEV's for me change from bright flourescent pastels to darker colours. I'm 6ft, 180 lbs.
If I took 2g on Saturday, I would take ~2.8g on a Thursday, but only if no work on Friday. Cubes though.
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In my experience, Copelandia/Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms consistently provide a much higher order experience than P. cubensis...for me the "Hawaiian" strain of Copelandia cyanescens reliably yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being much smoother on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, difficult and dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.
(I appreciate I may come across as a mushroom snob a bit here, but I still have a deep fondness and reverence for P. cubensis and have had many amazing experiences with them in the past...these days though personally I'm more concerned about the quality as oppose to quantity of mushrooms I ingest). I'm definitely not alone in having this perspective, and the majority consensus from people who have consumed both species is that Pan cyan provides a superior experience to that of P. cubensis (which is not a species held in particularly high regard by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups).
...there are plenty of threads on the Shroomery and other mycology forums making comparisons regarding the experiential differences between Pan cyans and P. cubensis, and by far the majority consensus from people who have experience with both species is that Pans provide a superior, cleaner, higher order experience than P. cubensis, and this reflects my own experience too.
Dosage wise, 0.5g of dried Pan cyan mushrooms will be sufficient for a good experience (particularly if you are sensitive, which you appear to be), whereas 1g dried would provide a deep water psychedelic experience for most people (some dosage advice in the Copelandia cyanescens grow guide linked below).
If you are considering other species widely considered superior to P. cubensis in experiential quality (by indigenous Mexicans groups and growers alike), you may want to research P. hoogshagenii 'Semperviva' and P. mexicana, with the added bonus these may be easier species to grow than Copelandia cyanescens with the right grow setup.
Pic 1: After the substrate is fully colonized, it will look almost completely white, uncover and add your casing layer.
Pic 2: Had success just growing on a table top with humidifier sitting on same table with timer set to 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, with around 95% humidity, directing the mist toward the cake pans, no more misting!
Pic 3: Final fruiting pic
Pic 4: 300mg of pure tetrahydroharmine or THH at very top of pic in weigher to take with the pan cyan.
Pic 5: One of my favorite woman house DJ's: Music sounds infinitely beautiful with the combo of pan cyan + THH
Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD, extremely visual, music enhancing & super euphoric.
myself:
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Very first pan cyan experience: 3 of us ate dried pan cyans on the way to a nightclub playing undergound house music. The road to the club turned into a rollercoaster of neon colors made of purple, yellow, green, super saturated, waving up and down in intense neon colors, just incredible. I looked at my left arm and it was covered in green Egyptian hieroglyphics, so wild!
I looked off to the side into the sky and saw 3 alein hyperdimensional beings, small in stature looking back at me, made of purple and yellow colors...we stopped to peak inside the store with crystals inside along the way, all of the crystals in the shop had alien heads in them with open mouths and penetrating eyes, staring back at us, we saw aliens in all of the crystals!
When we got to the nighclub, the woman collecting the $5 to get in, turned into a scary witch, we were all agasp, inside the club, we were some of the first to enter, so not crowded at all, the music sounded so bad ass, the videos playing in the addition rooms grabbed our attention. We each touched the girl's leg who went with us, who was tripping as well, felt like MDMA, the intensity of the touch was incredible. Most intense, euphoric, neon colorful trip that introduced me to pan cyan, most unlike any cubes I have ever had. Way preferred these over cubes. So deeply euphoric and extremely visual with saturated tropical neon colors. From then on I was hooked.
I grow these following Gordotek's simple method further below, when fruiting the spawned trays with the sterile casing layer, I just leave cake pan trays out on a small fold out table with a Kvol hd3 3.5 liter ultrasonic cool mist humidifier pointed at all 3 trays on a timer 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, pointed at all 3 trays on a table close to window in small room that get's warmer than rest of house, fruit just fine in open air. Very simple, nothing elaborate needed. The monsoon is also a great humidifier.
I do use a flow hood however when transferring the grown out mycelium grain jars to the trays when mixing in with the pasteurized manure/straw (spawning stage), AND also later when removing the see thru cake lid covering the white mycelium grown out substrate in the cake pan when applying the sterile 1/4" casing layer. Picture at the very end of trays on table in open air for fruiting. They like a constant 77 degrees F from beginning to end, ie grain jar stage to fruiting stage.
Prefer keeping the 3 grain jars and the 3 cake pans during the lid closed "mycelium substrate grow out" and "open lid, open air fruiting stage" on top of a VIVOHOME 10 Inch x 20.75 Inch Waterproof Seedling Heat Mat with included 40-108°F Digital Thermostat Controller. You could also use a greenhouse Martha tent with controllable temp and a monsoon humidifier with stretchable hose that reaches as high as 66" to the top of the inside of the 63" tall tent to direct humidity downwards to all the trays, only have to refill the monsoon every 2 days.
Buy or make a Laminar flow hood, it's the best investment you will ever make.
*** You can take these pan cyan at the same time as taking 150 to 250mg of pure tetrahydroharmine (not an MAOI or RIMA but a psychedelic SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor) and it feels like "organic psilo LSD", powerful combination with super heightened euphoria and visuals and huge powerful music enhancement, stimulating like LSD in combo with the THH, as THH has numerous similarities to mescaline and LSD. I have done this combo numerous times, one of my absolute favorite trip experiences.
I can recommend pan cyans in combo with 150 to 250mg pure tetrahydroharmine, gives an experience that is extremely euphoric, intensely visual and spiritual, a lot like LSD when combined with the THH, one of my absolute favorites of all time.
THH + mushrooms report from JKW:
1) bridgesii 600 gram to 800 gram pieces from around the core tea, 350 to 450mg plus mescaline in the tea = 11 out of 10
2) panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms in combo with 150 to 250mg THH, 6 hour incredible experience = 11 out of 10
3) LSD with bridgesii cactus combo = 11 out of 10
4) oral 200mg harmine + 200mg oral THH + sublingual under the tongue DMT, can re-dose under the tongue dmt every hour up to 3 hours = 11 out of 10
Gordotek's pan cyan grow which I have used sucessfully for a long time:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256 (Gordotek)
https://mycotopia.net/topic/110495-...aiians-blue-meanies-pans-and-pan-cyans/page-2 (Gordotek)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)
http://en.psilosophy.info/panaeolus_cyanescens_liquid_culture_to_fruits.html (Panaeolus Cyanescens -- Liquid Culture to Fruits)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049 (Asura, Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194 (JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens)
https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)
https://www.shroomery.org/8695/Making-Panaeolus-Substrate-Pictorial (Making Panaeolus Substrate, Pictorial)
How pure THH or tetrahydroharmine adds to the experiences, here are my experiences combining it with sublingual HPBCD DMT. What I do now is take 200mg of harmine and 200mg of pure THH orally, then 1 hour later once I feel the harmine and THH, I take sublingual HPBCD DMT (around 100mg) hold under tongue for 15 minutes, all dissolves, gives a 1.5 hour very strong extremely euphoric and visual experience, then I re-dose more sublingual DMT at the 1.5 hour point again, holding under tongue, continues to work at full strength, as the oral harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, continues to work for 3 hours to 5 hours.
I way prefer taking DMT under tongue instead of orally, as zero nausea, goes straight to brain, no dizziness, the only way I use it, very bad ass this way. None of the negatives of oral Ayahausca. There is something about DMT moving thru the stomach that makes it nausea prone, dizzy, and weird and strange, this is all avoided by using it under tongue. The harmine lowers MAO in the brain for 3 to 5 hours, so you can use the dmt under tongue with many re-doses, as it prevents the DMT from being zapped by mitochondria in the brain.
https://mycotopia.ne...e-under-tongue/
https://mycotopia.ne...ts-masks-taste/
12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks:
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0. THH is not an MAOI or a RIMA but a psychedelic serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) found in caapi with many similarities to mescaline. She is a feminine teaching spirit.
1. Part 10 of the first linked paper above: shows how to convert harmaline to pure THH in 1.5 hour for the first time (very fast) with 75% yield. TIHKAL THH entry also achieved 75% yield. Post also shows how to dip a cue tip in vinegar to wet, take up a bit of the THH, smear on a paper plate to check the blue glow under blacklight to make sure it is pure. Any green in the glow means you still have un-converted harmaline, but follow instructions and you won't have any unconverted.
--> Please do this UV check even if you source THH from China (liftmode paperwork indicates Chinese made), as there have been a few reports of it glowing green and not pure light blue with the vinegar swabbed UV check, indicating there is still harmaline in the THH, it would not be a good idea to take even light amounts of harmaline with shrooms, you want only pure THH...either make it yourself or source it from a reputable supplier. THH is an SRI and harmaline is a RIMA, completely different substances <--
1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115:
In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.
2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.
3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.
4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.
5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.
6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.
7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT. Listening to music on THH + DMT is like listening to music on high dose cactus tea: heavenly, infinitely beautiful music enhancement, every voice and instrument stands out on it's own, like hearing a song for the very first time.
8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.
9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense. Dr. Shulgin wrote that he never got the chance to try THH, but wrote that more studies on it are "badly needed."
10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
Espiridion:
11. Trips (from here on 12/2/2011):
The world is moving in the direction of the Left Brain: technology and science. What the world needs is to move in the direction of Right Brain development: empathy, spirituality, connectedness. Compounds like tetrahydroharmine in Caapi could be said to improve emotional intelligence. Is this component of caapi a smart-nutrient for the right side of the brain? you be the judge.
At 300mg of THH all by itself, there are heavy open-eyed tracers like lightening flashes, and hours of teaching closed eye visions that start with colored sparkles and fireworks (red, green, yellow, blue) that dart around and progress into full-fledged way-beyond 4k visions with eyes closed that are not only static but often animated like slow and high speed movies, but all one monochrome color like green or blue for me, when you add DMT, the visions then become colored and patterning on animals for example will display their associated colors, DMT also adds on to or builds on top the THH visions, expanding them, but the teachings and insights & visions are credited to the Vine, just as Gayle Highpine writes in linked paper:
12. Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher): Unraveling the Mystery of the Origin of Ayahuasca – Ayahuasca.com
Page 154 of "Various Alkaloid Profiles in Decoctions of Banisteriopsis Caapi, 2005": https://kodu.ut.ee/~hellex/aya/kirjandus/keemia/Callaway2005.pdf
Callaway wrote in "The Entheogen Review":
THH blocks serotonin, just like all the major natural oral psychedelics, serotonin blocking results in stimulation, breaking down of barriers and filters, direct access to divine spiritual world, increased visionary power, major beauty, color and music enhancement, euphoria in combo with the DMT. DMT does not block serotonin but requires THH in combo to do this, important teamwork.
5-ht1a agonism is inhibitory and results in serotonin blockage (over 80% of brain 5-ht). Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor. THH or tetrahydroharmine also inhibits the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT).
In contrast, as an example, Cocaethylene (coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, the orally active & potent ingredient formed in the liver from cocaine + ethanol in the 1860's "Vin Mariani" wine popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison and scores of other famous people) increases the levels of serotonergic, noradrenergic, and dopaminergic neurotransmission in the brain by inhibiting the action of the serotonin transporter, norepinephrine transporter, and dopamine transporter. These pharmacological properties make cocaethylene a serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor [SNDRI; also known as a "triple reuptake inhibitor"].
Dr. Nichols (Purdue Scientist authorized to study LSD, from Heffter.org LSD paper): https://www.heffter....20/04/chap6.pdf
waylitjim (April 2005):
https://mycotopia.ne...nescens-merged/
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Ever wonder why many consider the Panaeolus experience incredibly unique?
"They are the cleanest, smoothest, most peacefull mushroom vibe of all the species I have tried. Panaeolus cyanescens and tropicalis rank #1 in my book."
"the highs real clean . its reminds me of the phelix the cat acid from the 80s . just smooth . with little body noise and extreme visuals . a calm lucidty that is like a slice of heaven"
"Pan Cyan (and Trops) are very much worth the effort!!! I have never eaten any Cubes that were as VISUAL as these are. Not to mention a little goes a LONG ways. Gram and a half of these little fellers will blister your brain!"
Psilocybin and psilocin are part of the tryptamine family. Their chemical structure bears close resemblance to that of serotonin.
All Panaeolus species contain the neurotransmitter serotonin. Cubensis and wood lovers do not contain serotonin. The primary effect of psilocin is on the receptors for serotonin and there is evidence that psilocybin reduces the reuptake of serotonin by neurons in the brain allowing this neurotransmitter more time to act in the synapse.
"The occurrence of tryptamine derivatives in Panaeolus cyanescens, also known as Copelandia cyanescens, from Australia, Hawaii and Thailand were investigated. All 70 collections contained psilocin, serotonin and urea. Those from Hawaii were also relatively rich in psilocybin, whereas the species from Australia and Thailand were virtually exempt of this compound.
It is not unthinkable that the ability to biosynthesize psilocin in a number of Panaeolus is a consequece of a genetic accident: initially, these members of the genus probably produced more or important qualites of serotonin until a mutation conferred the ability to produce 4-hydroxylated tryptamines. So far, not other genus or species has been found to accomplish this feat!"
Partial reference from:
Stijve, T. (1992): Psilocin, psilocybin, serotonin and urea in Panaeolus cyanescens from various origin
waylitjim:
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Even with lower levels of psilocybin, Panaeolus are still more potent than Cubensis. Why? Because by weight psilocin is around 1.4 times more potent than psilocybin.
The primary active ingredients of psilocybe mushrooms are psilocybin and psilocin, and to a lesser extent baeocystin and norbaeocystin. The ratio of psilocybin to psilocin varies from species to species.
The primary difference is that psilocin is unstable and it breaks down in the presence of oxygen. If the mushrooms are dried correctly and kept cold, they should suffer very little psilocin break down. Psilocybin on the other hand has been found in a 115-year old mushroom sample.
It is believed that after injestion, psilocybin is easily converted into psilocin and that the pharmacological properties of both compounds are the same.
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Pan cyans are faster than cubes and 3-4x more potent. 2g is a full on DMT-like, level 5 trip, so while your yield is less...your magic content is more...and the trips are insanely good. It's the most potent species anyone has a chance of doing indoors with significant yield.
They are harder to fruit but there are plenty of people killing it right now with low tech setups.
I would love to help out on the science...but I am not tripping right now. I could probably recruit some folks on the official pan thread, though.
The link in my sig details how I cultivate them, but an ideal time line is something like:
1. Agar wedge to LC. 5 days to grow out.
2. LC to substrate = 10 days to grow out
3. substrate to tray = 5 days to recover.
4. Case and fruit = 5 days until first pins.
So, wedge to first pins in 25 days. About 3-5 days to harvest. 2nd-x flushes will also be done in 3-5 days. If someone could figure
out how to get the yield and make it as easy as cubes, I'm pretty sure most people would grow these.
I am averaging about 32g dried for one tray (3 quarts substrate), which doesn't sound like much - but that is 16 full on level 5 trips from that.
If I lemon tek 2g of pans it is overpowering. Like forced VR or something. My eyelids cease to exist and the inside of my head and the outside
of my head are one space. Time loops. Living 1000 life times. Alien landscapes. Vision quests. You name it. It's pretty fucking intense and scary
to be honest...I don't do it that often :lol:
A 1g dose is heavenly, though, and much more manageable. Tea makes it easier. Lemon tek is like taking a strong cube trip and compressing it. The
trip moves really, really fast. It's speeded up. The come up is very disorienting. Like not only are you are tripping hard, you're also in a barrel
going over Niagara Falls.
Gordotek:
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3 DIC 2020 A LAS 21:26
New simple method (TEK) for growing Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens, Hawaiians, blue meanies, Pans and Pan cyans):
https://www.patreon....k-44645256?l=es
Questions:
Q: Is there a preferred or recommended strain to use?
A: I do believe strain selection is important, that said I know people have already used my TEK with many different strains and had success so it is not really critical. The "Estero" strain was the best strain that I tested, it is extremely vigorous, potent, and even forms more robust/meaty fruit bodies. There was some doubt at one point that the strain was even pan cyan, some thought it might be pan cambo because it was almost too easy to grow. However thin layer chromatography clearly shows it is not pan cambo, it has the alkaloid potency in the HIGH end of reported ranges for pan cyan. It also meets all of the published morphological descriptions for pan cyan, and even the microscopy work I did show that it is indeed pan cyan:
Estero strain available here:
https://sporesfast.c...n-syringe-kits/
Q: Can I buy a kit for this?
A: YES! See: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767 You will still need to buy a spore syringe and make grain spawn BEFORE buying the kit (or get a free spore print and make your own syringe or put the spores to agar).
June 10 at 7:09 PM, https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
Comparison of Estero (Pan cyan) and Albino Penis Envy (Cubensis) mushrooms via Thin Layer Chromatography: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
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I will create a video explaining how to do this type of analysis, but for now I just wanted to show everyone a comparison between these species. Albino Penis Envy (APE) is widely considered to be one of the most potent cubensis cultivars, it was heavily represented in the latest psilocybin cup (if you want to see my comments/critique of the cup, click the link and scroll down to the bottom where comments are shown, to see comments on a phone you may have to tap settings (in chrome for example)->desktop view).
So how does APE stack up against Estero (pan cyan)?
Each dot in the picture above represents a chemical compound (these are labeled on the left). They are in two vertical columns, so the left side from top to bottom is all Estero, right side is APE. Starting with the two most important, look at the psilocybin and psilocin content - quantification is not precise, but you can estimate based on spot size and darkness, the Estero cultivar is approximately three times as potent as APE (and it would have easily blown all other entries out of the water had it been submitted to the psilocybin cup). This should be a reminder to all to dose appropriately (pan cyan holds the record for most potent mushroom species in the world as per published research).
If you normally take 3 grams of cubensis, try 1g of Estero. It is always better to start with a lower dose and see how you respond before trying anything higher (you may want to start with just 0.5g). There is NO PRIZE for taking the highest dose, in fact there is no documented benefit of any dose beyond about 35mg psilocybin equivalent, just more fear & anxiety for most people.
But there's more to it than just triple the psilocybin and psilocin, Estero also contains baeocystin (hard to see, but its there), urea (quite a bit), and serotonin. None of these compounds can be seen at all in APE. Could these be partly responsible for the difference in anecdotes from user experiences on Estero?
Here are some comments people have sent on this subject:
"I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry. It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses."
"Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'. Not at all so with Pan cyans"
"Penis Envy is and has been overrated. I think any other well sourced Cube is just the same. It’s that cultural conditioning at play."
"lol who needs cubes when you can have Cyanescens! I’ve blessed a few people with them and they are now believers lol."
"When Estero kicked in, I wasn’t disappointed. At one point I forgot I ate Cyanescens and thought I was on a DMT ride! As often happens to me on DMT I was 'connected' to some kind of power cord or machine umbilical that was coming from my wall straight towards me and plugged into my third eye! And I felt the presence of a cosmic nurse at my side. Like she had her hand in my shoulder reassuring me all was ok! Then I was like “f*** I ate mushrooms this ain’t a DMT trip”
"I've taken enough cubes to know Estero is different... 2 grams. Most amazing experience of my life. 10 hours. And another two hours of happiness watching TV and talking about my experience with my wife. In the end I just want to thank you. No comparison."
"OMG, OMG, O. M. G. Had my first deeply religious experience on 2g [estero] yesterday. I have never felt anything like it in my life. It was truly incredible."
"I ended up taking a 1 gram of Estero since I’m used to taking 3-4 grams of cubensis. Man…you were not kidding about the potency of these. 1 gram easily felt like 4-4.5 grams of cubensis to me. These were by far the best visuals on mushrooms I’ve ever had. Also, the euphoria was quite intense, and giggle sessions were uncontrollable. All in all, I love pan cyans and they’ll likely be my go to. I’ll likely still grow cubensis for microdosing as well as less potency for sharing with others."
"Experienced people do sometimes doubt ones sanity trying to explain just how deep Estero gets on what some call a "micro dose" the pan experience for me is the most rewarding substance I've ever ingested and half reduced my dose and frequency of use to fine tune the benefits, plus stopped using synthetic drugs completely and have been experiencing recovery i didn't really know I need but pretty sure i do."
"I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss." [Gordo note: 2g is too much for most people, be cautious]
"Funny because I went to an Ayahuasca ceremony in May and the Shaman told me to start growing pans... he said, “Cubes are for the people. Pans are for the elevated.”
"First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift."
"There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis"
One of this years funniest/best psychedelic reveals was the guy who actually came up with Penis Envy (the best selling cubensis cultivar of all time), when interviewed by Hamilton Morris essentially said (my paraphrase) 'Eh, it's still just a cube, and cubes don't do it for me. I find the Cyanescens far superior (they have entities)!'
Haha. So the guy who created the most popular cubensis cultivar in the world doesn't even like cubensis. Eventually I think most in the grower community will come to prefer other species. I would still like to see some reputable published research comparing user experience by species (this is challenging to do but worth a try). As an aside, if you listen to that Hamilton interview, the PE guy says a lot of "out there" things that deserve to be challenged, every so called claim of "supernatural powers" has always failed rigorous testing and he is no exception.
The psychedelic community has a long history of nonsense associated with it, and as far as I'm concerned, its time to do things differently, and I will always call out the nonsense. I have plenty more to say about Casteneda, astral projection, and more, but don't want to get side tracked.
Love life, stay strong, and be well.
[Notes on sample preparation and procedure for the above shown TLC]
100mg of carefully weighed, blended/homogenized mushroom powder from each sample was added to a small beaker, 5ml of methanol was added over top while also washing down the sides of the beaker. The beakers were covered then transferred to an ultrasonic bath in hot tap water (120F), sonicated for 8 minutes, 5 minute rest, followed by another 8 minute sonication. Samples were allowed to settle for 10 minutes but no filtration, decanting, or centrifuging was done. A calibrated micro pipettor (5µl) was used to transfer 10µl of each sample to the chromatography sheet. Sheet was developed in a sealed glass chamber saturated with eluent consisting of methanol and ammonia (100:1.5 mixing ratio). After development the sheet was allowed to dry while undergoing ultraviolet examination, then freshly mixed Ehrlich's reagent was applied by spray bottle until the sheet was saturated, followed by drying with a heat gun. Sheet was periodically photographed every 5 minutes until colors reached full development (maximum brightness).
https://www.patreon.com/posts/22774475
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https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)
https://sporesfast.c...varieties-copy/
estero syringe
March 5 at 8:40 AM
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)
I'm really excited about this because I have been trying to get a vendor to make kits suitable for my pan cyan TEK for more than a year and no one seemed able or willing to do it, people have been asking me where they could buy the substrate, etc. and I had no good source UNTIL TODAY! Midwest grow kits finally put together a kit that matches my recommended specifications. As far as I know, they are the ONLY vendor out there that is selling a kit like this. I'm also very pleased with where they priced it (currently just $35). Their kit includes properly pasteurized manure/straw based substrate (3 hour hot water immersion bath pasteurization process) with separate casing mix and the kit even includes the cake pans with clear lids. So with this kit, all a person will need is the grain spawn and a humidifier (note that they even sell a pretty cool looking humidifier with a long bendable hose that has great reviews so if you need a humidifier you might consider that too).
Midwest set me up with an affiliate link which I am very grateful for, any sales that happen after clicking my link help support this channel but I'm not promoting this just because I have an affiliate link, this is genuinely the only kit of its kind on the internet that I know of and the price is unbeatable too.
https://midwestgrowk.../GrassLoversKit
If the link doesn't take you directly to it, type "grass lover" into the search bar (the humidifier and grain jars should show up at the bottom of the grass lover kit page as well if you want those items).
Note: I wouldn't promote this without testing it first, they sent me an early version of the kit, I will probably make a full video review of the kit and add to this post when I have more to share, but for now I'll just say that everything looks fantastic! There was enough substrate in the kit to make 3 standard size cake pans, and the Estero cultivar RIPPED though this substrate reaching full colonization in 4-5 days with no signs of contamination. Looks to me like they got it right.
So someone who wanted to simplify the process of growing pan cyans could just order some sterile grain jars (Midwest also sells those), order a spore syringe (as far as I know, only one vendor sells Estero spore syringes) just inject the grain jars, wait for colonization, order the grass lover kit, dump the substrate from the kit into the cake pan that also comes with the kit, dump the colonized grains on top of that, mix, cover with clear lids, wait for colonization (preferably in warm temps 75-85F), then remove the clear lids and add the casing mix from the kit, humidify on a timer or spray down heavily several times per day, and you should get nice yields. Couldn't be much easier than that.
Gordotek:
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Dec 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM
New simple method (TEK) for growing Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens, Hawaiians, blue meanies, Pans and Pan cyans)
[Disclaimer: this work was done in a location where it is legal and I suggest you do likewise]
A video for this TEK is now available, but I like to make a written version of my TEKs in addition to the videos, and people have been requesting this one quite a lot, so here it is (I will update this article with any new developments, research, or improvements). Note: A vendor has stepped up to supply grow kits suitable for this TEK, these are NOW AVAILABLE, for full description see: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767 or click/tap here for the direct link to the kit.
UPDATES:
In July 2022 The Estero cultivar won the Cultivar Cup "Most Potent Mushroom" with over 3% combined active alkaloid content. I believe even higher numbers will be achieved in the future.
In August 2022 an Estero sample was HPLC tested at 3.43%).
In November 2022 I set a new WORLD RECORD for most potent mushroom ever tested (an astonishing 7.06% psilocybin equivalent), with the Tamarind Tree British Virgin Islands cultivar of pan cyan.
I also created a version of this TEK for mini greenhouses here.
First some background, why even bother to grow Pan cyans? Many used to consider this species harder to grow and yields are often lower compared to other species. So what's the point of growing it? I was a skeptic myself, but as I read more and more, my curiosity was peaked. First, it is well documented that this species can be more than three times as potent vs. cubensis, but that alone doesn't really matter -- what difference does it make if one takes a gram of pan cyans or 3g of cubensis? And yet anecdotes consistently suggested that there IS a difference.
Some old timers describe this species as "the crown jewel" of psychedelic mushrooms. Some growers will ONLY grow this species. Various comments suggest that this species produces a different type of experience, common in descriptions are: less nausea, pleasant body high, better visuals, low body load, less fear and anxiety, euphoria, smoother and gentler on the mind. I wondered, is there a plausible scientific explanation for this? Aren't the active compounds the same?
Well it turns out there are actually dozens if not hundreds of compounds in these mushrooms and they aren't all that well understood yet, in fact it was only recently that scientists even discovered beta carbolines in some species of psychedelic mushrooms. Some species of psychedelic mushrooms contain aeruginascin which is associated with anecdotes of euphoria and aeruginascin was even found in very small quantities in cubensis mushrooms so it could be in pan cyans too but as far as I know no one has looked for it yet).
Another possible contributor to the different type of experience is baeocystin and its dephosphorylated cousin norpsilocin which also seem to be associated with anecdotes of better trips.
It is plausible that the specific chemistry of pan cyans is responsible for the positive characteristics that have been attributed to it. Researchers also documented in 1992 that pan cyans produce serotonin which may also be contributing in some way to the anecdotes of positive mood (same paper documented 'slight euphoria' in test subjects, but I think their samples were weak in general, also note that dietary serotonin is not known to cross the blood brain barrier).
Because pan cyans require a much smaller dose (due to their potency) you get reduced mushroom fiber/bulk in your GI tract when consuming them which may have benefits with regard to comfort and reduced nausea. All this said, a lot more research needs to be done on this matter. I would LOVE to see some double blind studies conducted to properly compare species in a careful, dose controlled manner.
Other anecdotes found in published literature corroborate the anecdotes found online. For example see A Novel Experience with Panaeolus A Case Study from Hawaii (Journal of Psychoactive Drugs): "I experienced stimulation which seemed to involve both a psychic and a somatic component resulting in a pleasant sense of wellbeing. No one present expressed any feelings of dysphoria or unpleasant somatic disturbances, and no adverse reactions were observed throughout the evening... When looking out the window some of us perceived moisture and felt as though it were raining, but when David and I went outside later in the evening, we discovered that it was in fact quite dry.
We concluded that the robust sound of cicada may have given us the impression of rain and that perhaps we had experienced hallucinatory synesthesia. The ocean was vividly glowing in the distance, the clouds blowing across the sky were magnificent, and the entire setting produced a truly spectacular feeling of being aIive."
I studied most of the TEKs out there for growing this species and looked at all of the videos on YouTube of this species growing out in nature. Pan cyans thrive on massive amounts of fresh/moving air, and wild mushroom hunters report that it pops up often after 3 or 4 back to back days of rain and high humidity.
It is often found in wide open, breezy fields. It likes massive humidity and massive air exchange. Growers have devised all sorts of complicated and expensive ways to meet these requirements, sometimes using mini greenhouses, humidistats, ventilation systems, aquarium pumps, bubbler machines, and more. After some experimentation, research, and trial and error, I found a much simpler way that is very effective and requires minimal investment. Here is what I came up with that worked well:
logical chaos:
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I love Pan cyans. I used to live in Hawaii, and in the raining season, me and my friend used to pick them.
I loved the trip. It was soooo gentle and peaceful, and "loving". They loved me :lol: Never a bad time on pan cyans.
They are truly mystical, much better experience than the dealer cubenis i bought in Hawaii. Those felt like a synethic drug. Still enjoyable but pan cyans comforted my soul.
LysergicRide:
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I have done a lot of LSD and mushrooms only a few times. The only good mushroom trip I had was with some Pan Cyan's from the wild. They seemed to be a lot more like LSD... Very visual with a lot of self control/confidence and little anxiety or paranoia.
With regular shrooms, having not had enough dose I felt kind of anxious, paranoid, and dreamy like I didn't have as much control/confidence and less awareness.... but my results could be skewed based on my lack of experience.
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I would say they are almost without any anxiety. Panaeolus are quite vigorous and clear.
And they are way more euphoric.
Pans are dung lovers and I just feed them with horse poo. Pans only on grains are weak and less potent, trip is different. They just need dung.
Horse poo is the best in my opinion but you can use sheep, cattle, bull, goat, elephant, bunny dung. Collect it, dry and you can use it in substrates. I love to grow pans just on manure-straw mix, soak it for one day and put it into jars. Manure-straw have to be airy fluffy in jars, pans love airy substrate. As it is colonized just make casing and get pans in one week. Very easy. So, if you have no dung just collect it, there are a lot of choices around.
Yes, I have compared. What are you interested in? Overall, semilanceata is more similar to panaeolus, than to cubensis. Pans are smooth but potent, same as semilanceata. I would say panaeolus are way more visual. Visuals are more geometric and fractal. Although the trip is different.
Visuals and feelings during the trip, pan cyan trips are way more visual and fractal. Panaeolus trip could be more deep, more introspective and touching, in my opinion.
Anyway pans are much more similar to semilanceata than cubes.
Yes, this is an awesome specie of magic shrooms. It provides very intensive, potent, deep and visual trip. I very love them. Of course, give it a shot. I'm sure those shroomies won't leave you indifferent.
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It is well worth the effort. It took me a while to get it right and the yields are no where near what I can do for cubes.
However, Pan Cyan's are a MUCH smoother trip IMHO. I don't notice much of the dark anxious come up that I typically go through with cubes.
Cubes are an old ally, but once I finally procured pan cyan spores and grew them it was a game changer.
Also another think I really like about Pan's Cyan's. They are small mushrooms. I measure dose size by the number of shrooms.
1-3 threshold.
3-5 solid trip.
5-8 hard trip. (Have not done, just my estimate)
8+ heroic dose. (Have not done. Just an estimate)
I like to just toss 1-2 pan cyan caps into a batch of aya instead of MHRB.
Yeah man I'm guessing you will love Pan Cyans.
https://inoculatethe...ns-vs-cubensis/
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To learn more about the cultivation of these mushrooms, please refer to Jake Oncid’s “Jok Tek” on the Shroomery.
https://www.reddit.c...cyans_vs_cubes/
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Cyans are definitely more potent. I have repeatedly experienced ego death from doses around 2.5g while an eighth of cubes just gave me cool visuals.
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Cyans are more potent by a large margin. When grown indoors on a proper substrate I never take more than 1.5g of potent panaeolus species. 0.75 to 1g is my comfort zone.
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They are so much cleaner ! The trip is shorter but more intense. The visuals are just incredible. You feel very light compared to cubensis and the headspace is more manageable ( at least at lower doses). Weird thing about them is that they contain serotonin. Maybe that can explain the difference in effects ?
A bit harder than cubes but not by much ! They require precise temp ( higher than cubes and they almost can't survive under ~22°c). They also require manure and a casing. But other than that it's basically the same as cubes in terms of difficulty. The mycelium is way more agressive so they're actually faster to grow
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species.
I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this. For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered.
Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.
By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect.
Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.
So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.
I concur 100% with this! I think people who think psilocybin mushrooms are all the same have never sampled Pan cyans...the induce a much higher order experience than P. cubensis, IMO. For me the "Hawaiian" strain of Pan cyan reliably and consistently yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary and blissful, serene state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being very smooth on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.
It is worth noting that P. cubensis tends to be shunned for shamanic use by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups. Of all the species I've sampled so far (P. cubensis, P. semilanceata, P. cyanescens, P. galindoi, Pan cyanescens), the latter are definitely my favourite.
Other species held in very regard by indigenous Mexican shamans for their experiential qualities include P. mexicana, P. hoogshagenii, P. caerulescens and P. zapotecorum which I think are also worthy of exploration.
Regarding the higher reported serotonin levels, serotonin cannot pass the blood brain barrier so will not have a pharmacological influence on one's trip. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin levels.
I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.
An interesting and relevant study on Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms you may well already have encountered:
http://repository.na...document/569927
I largely agree, and you're right about the serotonin. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin.
I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.
I've only sampled the Hawaiian strain of Pan cyan, but I think they're fantastic. Definitely at least 2x as potent, but also very smooth and easy on one's system compared to Cubensis which can have more of a body load, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts, and that alone changes the feel of them. Closer to LSD in this regard, but obviously with the earthy feel of the mushroom.
Pan cyans for me have consistently yielded a really beautiful and blissful bemushroomed state, I find them to reliably induce a really clean, clear, crystalline experience, and much more colorful than Cubensis with really detailed shimmering visuals and deep euphoria.
By comparison Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, more prone to dark-tinged experiences (sometimes without an obvious reason; things can just feel off), and just not as clean/clear feeling and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Great mushrooms I can definitely recommend highly.
u/Cuck_Liddell
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5 years ago, trip Report: Panaeolus Cyanescens are the true Magic Mushroom. I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again.
So a bit of background: For the past 5 months I've been depressed and unemployed, and I've had nothing but bad trips on Cubensis in that time, where I feel extreme dread and hopelessness, ruminating on what a piece of shit I've been my whole life, and sometimes being borderline suicidal. I'd been growing shrooms since I already had the materials, and wanted to occupy my time. Despite being depressed and supposedly knowing better, I'd trip hoping to gain some new insight, only to have yet another extremely harsh, difficult experience. Repeat this at least 6 times.
Then I had my first harvest of Jamaican Panaeolus Cyanescens. For those that don't know, these are considered by many experienced members of the psychedelic community, including one of the oldest and most prolific spore suppliers (Ryche Hawk of mushrooms.com and previously thehawkseye.com), to be the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom. They are much more potent than Cubensis, with reports of being 3-7 times more potent, and also contain serotonin, which is unusual for psilocybin mushrooms. People describe them as having a smoother, more positive trip than Cubensis, and cause much less nausea due having to consume less.
Anyway, despite knowing it was probably a bad idea due to only having bad trips for the past 5 months, I decided to consume my entire harvest of Pans, 24.2g fresh in a lemon smoothie. I just had to test them and see if they would really give me a different, and hopefully positive experience. They tasted much better than disgusting, funky, musty Cubensis, and didn't make me gag like cubes do. I watched a short 30min film (The Man Who Planted Trees) to wait for them to kick in. I began to feel the familiar heavy body feeling and after the movie, I turn off the lights and lie down and close my eyes to see and think and feel what is to come.
Mushroom visuals are always different and impossible to describe, so I'll skip trying for the most part, though they were impossibly beautiful. What came first was a sense of the energy of the universe taking me in on a wonderful cosmic journey. During my previous bad trips, I'd always felt like I wasn't good enough, but here I was being shown emphatically that I was, and everything that worried me didn't matter. I felt extreme awe and gratitude at not just the journey I was on, but just being alive, just existing. Soon, just the act breathing deeply became an exercise in loving myself. After a while of being in awe at The Other Side, I opened my eyes to see my dark room covered in geometric fractals.
It was like the universe was saying, "How dare you even think of having any remotely negative thought? Let me show you how wonderful and beautiful everything is." Throughout the trip, I was laughing and smiling more genuinely than I ever have in my life just to exist and be alive. Even the terms "laughing" and "smiling" don't do any remote justice for what I was doing. I was in an absolute fit of love and joy at the beauty of existence. I was able to forgive myself for what a piece of shit I'd been and everyone who had wronged me. Even as I puked painfully into a tote I wisely put down beforehand, I was grateful for even the experience of puking. This bliss continued for several hours. This was my second true breakthrough, the first being one where I took 28g of Cubensis in tea and unfortunately lost control and made a huge insane ruckus, flipping my mattress, trashing my room, and waking the neighbors. Learning a valuable lesson from the first time, I was able to just take in the experience in a more controlled way. Despite being my second breakthrough and taking possibly the highest regarded species, the experience exceeded my wildest expectations.
I began to return to normal, and before going to sleep and after waking up, there was quite an afterglow and I could enjoy mundane things in an extent that I normally wouldn't in the weeks before. Though Cubensis also gives such an afterglow even after harsh, negative trips, both the afterglow and the trip quality and positivity of Panaeolus Cyanescens completely blows Cubensis out of the water. They're not even in the same league, and compared to Pans, Cubes are fucking garbage. I'm finishing growing the Cubensis trays I've already colonized and tossing my 32 quart jars of Cubensis with some coir outside in a completely half assed outdoor patch, only for experimentation and because I hate waste. From now on, I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again. I can see now why the native Mexicans regarded Cubensis as the least desirable psychedelic mushroom. Cubensis are just the easiest psilocybin mushroom to grow, but Panaeolus are the true Magic Mushroom.
Random Notes:
-There are other contenders for the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom, like the woodlovers Psilobybe Cyanescens and Azurescens, which have a higher raw potency, and Psilocybe Mexicana, the sclerotia producing species known as Teonanacatl, or "Flesh of the Gods." Mexicana were the highest regarded by the native Mexicans, and it's possible Cubensis and even Paneolus weren't as highly regarded because, being dung lovers, they were a possible invasive species and reminder of European conquest. Woodlovers, while being extremely potent, are well known to have the side effect of temporary paralysis.
-The all encompassing forgiveness doesn't dramatically change yourself for the rest of your life and for me it wore off for the most part within 2 days. Still, it was quite an amazing feeling and I don't want to downplay it too much.
-Though I managed to keep it together this time, it's very easy to imagine someone losing their shit during a breakthrough, as I did during my first. Take extreme caution. The first time, I'm very lucky I didn't hurt myself, break anything, or get arrested or committed to the mental hospital.
-I'm not entirely sure if my positive experience was due to the fact that I took the much stronger, serotonin containing Pans. Before this, I thought I'd need to get my life together or at least be on the right path in order to have a good trip. I've had equally intense visuals on Cubensis as this Panaeolus trip, but had a bad trip, so I don't think it was the sheer amount of actives I consumed that gave me such a great experience. I'm eager to do more research and testing.
-Though I now consider it the best experience of my life, trumping my previous breakthrough where I tripped even harder and was generally happier with life, it was not completely without negatives. It was more like a crash of emotions, but wasn't anywhere near as negative or dreadful as the feeling Cubensis gave me. More like an honest, but more gentle assessment of my life. This much more manageable mindset only lasted about an hour towards the end of the trip, and I was happy again. I've still heard people can have bad experiences on Panaeolus Cyanescens, but it surprised me to have such an amazing trip at the end of a particularly bad day. It's possible my negativity was all tapped out, IDK...
-In my humble opinion, I think 1 gram of wet Panaeolus is even better than 1 gram of dry Cubensis, making them 10X more potent, in addition to the more positive and smooth experience, easier consumption due to amount and taste, and much less nausea. Of course, it's a bit unfair to compare wet to dry, and it's also possible my Cubensis just suck due to genetics, growing conditions, skill, etc.
w0rdnerd
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I haven't tripped on Panaeolus Cyanescens in years! You're totally right that the experience blows cubes outta the water. I'll always love cubensis, but Panaeolus Cyanescens Hawaii and Mexicana are by far my favorite species to explore.
Thanks for the detailed trip report, I'm inspired to start to some plates. My last Pan Hawaiian and Pan Cambos plates tammed out or didn't ta
w0rdnerd
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You're so right about the come up and body load with Pans! It's one of the reasons why Pan Cyans and Mexicana are my favorites to explore! Cubes always make me feel so heavy and I often find myself myself having to lay down until the come down starts.
Umaiqi
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It looks very introspective. I like the details ! Do you know about serotonin effect ? I didn't read anything about it, do you have the source please ?
Speaking about potency, copelandia/paneolus cyanescens looks to have around more than .7% of psilocybin and more than .6% of psilocin (http://www.agiati.it...art11_gartz.pdf) while cubes have .6 of each (https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml). I don't know the influence of other substances ?
jimmy_luv
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They are electric! Very different feelings. The ceiling is way higher.. like I can't eat too many cubes but I could definitely eat too many pans. The comedown is clean too. Visuals are way more pronounced and color saturation is at a max. Really wonderful fruits.
Fartz_McKenzie
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The chitin isn’t as robust on pan cyan as with cubes allowing for easier digestion. As for headspace I’d say its my favorite space. I feel most consider pan cyan to be 2-2.5x stronger than cubes. And they taste waaaay better. When fresh they taste like a raw button mushroom.
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species. I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this.
For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered. Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.
By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me.
I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.
So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.
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Growing pans is definitely easier if you live in a region where they naturally grow. If you're not in the tropics then you've got to keep your temp and humidity very steady, and they're definitely manure lovers.
The high they give you is second to none. I've only ever felt true euphoria on pan cyans. Not just euphoria, but true love. That's the only way I can describe it.
The visuals were like I was walking through layered films of stars and planets with a geometric translucent blanket making waves on the ceiling. It was like I was seeing the entire universe, but I was too big to notice the finer details.
louisbell:
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Hi, to introduce myself to the community I thought I would share an experience I had last night. Psilocybin is beautiful.
Dose: 2.8g Panaeolus Cyanescens Powdered in lemon juice left to sit 15 minutes. Lots of cannabis and THC oil.
As the sun went down I prepared my dose, taking slightly less than I had planned, due to the fact that these mushrooms were incredibly potent and I had not had such a large dose in years. I chopped up 2.8 grams of very dry, very well preserved Panaelous Cyaneascens, more than twice as strong as cubensis, and let them soak in lemon juice for 15 minutes. I tend to plan a trip and then postpone it more often than not, and the second I threw the mushrooms in, all doubts and anxieties faded. I was doing this, and it was going to be beautiful.
I said goodnight to my family and chugged the mushroom concoction down in one, washing it down with some honey green tea.
Having tripped on a lower dose 72 hours before, I wasn’t entirely sure I would trip any harder. The come up was slow and smooth, and it didn’t take long for the lights and movie to become a distraction, and that mystical mushroom feeling to start bubbling inside me.
A big fan of THC, I had melted some incredibly potent honey oil onto some weed flowers and chopped it up, packing a pipe and a bong. Once the dizzy almost “drunken” feeling became more and more pronounced, I put my headphones on and let the psytrance play. Cannabis always pushes me over the edge on a come up, and hitting the bong I felt a wave of relaxed euphoria and reassurance.
After about 45 mins of ingesting the dose, I was tripping enough to be seeing colours floating around and intensifying closed eye visuals began. I smoked more and more until I had my fill and lay down on the bed doing some breath work.
I hadn’t kept track of time, turning my phone off for the trip, but I decided to sneak a peak at the time, as I was attempting to judge how much more intensity to expect. The fact that I was already having full-fledged psychedelic CEVs so soon was a nice surprised, and I embraced the fact that I was in for something exceptional.
As the mushrooms continued to intensify, I studied the visuals and noticed that they were constructed out of infinitely rapidly changing strings of colours composed of tiny hyper-complex symbols. Blue triangles that unfolded into orange hexagons and purple spinning squares, alongside millions of similar strings of complex shifting symbol strings. As the trip intensified further I opened my eyes occasionally and noticed that in the darkness these strings of colour were now visible in the air in front of me.
I held my hands in front of my face and played with my fingers, dancing with the energy. As I focused I was able to draw by spinning my fingers in the air, generating beautiful and complex ribbon like patterns of colour on a tiny scale that I could see perfectly.
Thoroughly enjoying this new state I had discovered, I decided to take off the headphones and sit cross-legged in darkness, meditating and breathing. To my surprise, the darkness actually intensified the experience, and this beautiful visual experience became entirely all encompassing. Wherever I looked I was surrounded by intense psychedelic patterns and it felt as if my field of vision had somehow widened.
The effects lasted for several hours, and as I came down I turned my phone on. I made a few sound recordings to draw from, ensuring I captured the experience. I then attempted a game of online chess, feeling very mentally sharp. This was a tad boring and I stopped soon, and resorted to just laying down and enjoying the last of the trip with closed eyes. I felt very social, very empathetic, and full of love and joy.
This variety of mushroom, for whatever reason, had a particularly nice afterglow. For hours I lay in bed, meditating on the feeling of one-ness and love I could feel radiating through my tired body. I took the occasional bong rip, and at first it brought the trip back a few times, and then I was left with just a slightly altered visual perception and an intense body high. The afterglow was spent repeating this process of smoking cannabis and meditating on the feeling, trying hard to carry it out of the trip. I was quite successful in doing so, and laying there the last 2 hours felt almost like a perfect dose of mdma but straight from mother nature.
Do you guys feel that psilocybin tolerance is exaggerated? I have been finding that two nights off, one night on is enough to reset me. This is a special "trip month" for me, I'm using mushrooms to help with anxiety, depression and quitting alcohol, and have had great success. I feel like a new person.
For those who can relate to this post, what's the "next level" like? I could see adding a gram producing even crazier effects.
This is the first time I've been overwhelmed by beauty and been so able to interact with my trip, yet I had my full sense of self the whole time. Is ego loss inevitable at some doses? What is that like and is it enjoyable to most experienced trippers?
Long story short, that was a next level for me. Using the "level" system I would guess somewhere just shy of level 4, but beyond level 3.
I still have 5.5g of these and I can't wait to dive deeper.
depopulator:
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Level 4 trip: 1.5 g Panaeolus cyanescens, Lemon tek, SSRI and folklore
#23277323 - 05/27/16 12:14 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)
I moved up into the mountains above the valley of San José, the capital city of Costa Rica. The region is famed for its long history of witches and witchcraft. Some of the highest peaks, which stand within a mile of my home, have protruding rocks which were said to be the abode of a famous local witch of yore. It is said that this witch, that went by the name of Zarate, had met a spirit called El Dueño del monte (The Lord of the Mountain), and that this spirit had introduced her to Lucifer.
I had read about María Sabina, the original curandera in México, who introduced the first ethnomycologists into the mushroom experience, and figured that Zarate, the witch, was probably an aboriginal curandera that used traditional medicine and shamanism and was therefore demonized by the local catholic community. It seemed logical to me that the Dueño del Monte spirit, was probably a psychedelic plant, of which there are several in the surrounding area (psilocybe and panaeolus mushrooms, bufo toads, datura and brugmansia, etc.). The descriptions of the Dueño del monte is that it is a large man with scraggly long hair and fur, covered in fireflies and that it is said to protect the mountain from poachers and other destructors of nature. In this sense, the spirit is similar to the Wendigo, Bigfoot or Yeti figures of other latitudes. The introduction to Lucifer seemed to me the description of a psychedelic experience where Lucifer would identify with the great god Pan, ruler of nature, with nature itself, then, as an alien other in contrast with humans.
Enticed by this folkloric interpretative run I decided to venture into the mountain and try to find the Dueño de Monte. First trip: within an hour of entering a pasture at the end of the road in the higher reaches of the mountain I start spotting clusters of panaeolus cyanescens in cow paddies. I collected maybe 30 mushrooms.
I brought them back and dried them with a fan blowing over them for a day. I then invited my girlfriend, who is currently taking Altruline, a Serotonine Selective Reuptake Inhibitor, to try them and steeped 3 grams (1.5g per each of us) in lemon for half an hour, as suggested in the lemon tek recipe. We then drank the lemon with some pink lemonade chasers and waited. Within 15 minutes I was feeling stoned and heavy limbed, she reported only the mildest sensations.
Within one hour I was tripping extremely hard: the lights from the city seemed to coalesce themselves into brilliant scintillating shapes of tigers and rise from the ground, geometry in my room started to fall apart, all lines standing on their own as if flowing in space, the floor turned a glowing golden mother of pearl hue and tiger shaped patterns etched themselves into them. This was a very intense trip, I had not expected this from 1.5grams and I started to panic and seek comfort in embracing my girlfriend which kept complaining that she could barely feel anything. She could tell how intense my trip was from the way my eyes were wide open and my jaw kept dropping at everything I looked at.
At some point the city lights raised themselves into an ancient, colossal protrusion of coral shapes made of light. It seemed perfectly clear to me this was some sort of alien city, using alien here not as extraterrestrial, but as deeply, perturbingly strange. The plants out in front had massed themselves into strange ominous creatures part insects part Geiger like aliens and I could feel that the filters we normally use to interpret what we see and reduce it to simple concepts had fallen and that I could now see the truly strange life forms that surrounded me in everyday life in their true otherworldly guise.
This was proving to be too much for me so I decided to close my eyes and it was at this point that a new "space" opened up where I could see an helicoidal spiral, much like the dna structure, and from it a serpent-insect lifeform uncoiled itself, as if it had been hiding there for a very long time and started speaking to me in a language not of this earth. I then could see this creature being given birth too, writhing with multiple conical tentacles and uncoiling from itself and expanding.
The long and short of it is that I freaked out, started sweating profusely and gagging and decided that I was having a bad trip so asked my girlfriend to come down to the TV with me and put on some Katty Perry videos. That seemed to cut the crazy stuff short and the rest of the trip resolved itself into a mellow happy dancing and giggling fest. I have to say I was greatly relieved to get away from this creature that I now am convinced inhabits the nether regions of my psyche.
Thinking back on it I would have to classify this as a level 4 trip, very very intense. My girlfriend on the other hand, could not get past some mild color changing and distortions. She thinks she got a level 1 trip. She even went down and ate another gram to see if she could launch off properly, but nothing happened. We have speculated that the SSRI either blocked the psilocyn or made so much serotonin available that there were fewer receptors for the psilocyn to attach to.
I am also convinced that my interpretation of the local witches and spirit folklore is correct. I have come out of the trip with a great and renewed respect for the strangeness and profundity of nature and of our own constitution and difference as humans. Make no mistake about it, we are the aliens.
Additional to this I keep thinking about the information I seem to have received. Is it possible that we as humans are different because somehow a mutation in our dna, possibly involving a virus or some dna altering organism, fused information into our constitution that is absolutely alien to the larger natural matrix of the world? I have no hard answer for this, but that is what I gather from it.
Finally, I seriously think the lemon tek is unnecessary, there might be some sort of appropriateness to the fact that psilocybin takes a while to metabolize in the body, so you come up slow and easy. Lemon tek can unless the experience on you too suddenly, causing great anxiety. I say: respect the mushroom, it has evolved thus and really needs no tampering with.
discozone:
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Thank you for your trip report. I also live in San Jose and picked some pan cyans from a local field a few days ago. Dried, they came out to be about 4 grams.
HB (42,528 posts):
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if they are true blue cyanescens, i think half to 3/4 eighth is good if you want a high level 3 or so, and a full eighth for your world to just disappear
let me put it this way -- when ONE minute went by, my friend and I would become ecstatic. at points I was almost positive time was going back and forth, and that all the clocks were going at different speeds. we were listening to Meddle, and I "knew" that the cd was playing in the same void as we were in, because the cd seemed to be playing back and forth and stopping, at times. god that was a fuckin trip. if only we did it outside ...
be ready, this isn't an easy trip. cyanescens will emotionally and mentally blow your mind to pieces like no other shroom that I have taken -- the visuals usually are quite small but detailed and quite animated, almost like acid. but it is all about the mindfuck, that's where this shroom stands tall
chuck.hntr:
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First time eating Pan Cy's 1g.
#26894015 - 08/22/20 06:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)
Hi Shroomery, I wanted to share this experience, it would be great to hear your comments and responses. As posted in the title this was my first Panaeolus cyanescens trip from a few nights ago.
Fist off I had not eaten anything for 7 hours and had been thinking about this trip for 3 days eating healthy and not drinking alcohol.
I went to a local canyon and posted up on a large rock outcropping(see pic). I squeezed 2 limes in a glass and put the mushrooms in mashed them around and then added some water to cover them and let sit for 15min stirring occasionally.
I ingested the liquid and mushrooms at 6:10pm
At 6:30 only 20mins after ingesting and they started to come on hard and fast.
They came in strong in waves, when a wave would roll in my vision would lock into whatever I was looking mostly sections of the rocks near me. While locked into these viewpoints a few phenomena would occur, if I was looking a rock in closer proximity, my vision would very slowly zoom into the frame, every small form and texture would develop incredibly full forms and appear to not only be alive but embedded with ancient human like entities.
In the beginning these waves were brief and when I would break from it I would have a sip of water, I would also get waves of fear and panic, wondering how I would get home, how intense is this going to get? Did I do too much? Also feelings of doubt, I shouldn’t have done this, I’m stuck here, I need to leave immediately. How long will this last for I think I've had enough of this.
These are the feelings that in the past have spiraled out and lead to a dreadful agonizing long experience. When they would come on I would take deep breaths and say, I am safe, there is actually no where I need to be, this state is temporary, let these feeling wash over me. This time and trip is a gift to myself there is no rush to be anywhere. All these feeling recurred 5-6 times but I was able to breath through them and let them subside in relatively short time.
As the wave periods got longer so did the intensity of the visions. The large rocks began to look like craggy eggs that I could see into. Almost as if the were snow globes, the scenes inside were dense tightly packed with entities almost like transformers but organic rather than mechanical, their coloring was similar to the exterior coloring of the rocks and the rough shapes appeared to be beings crouched or curled up in them. During these heavy waves I felt paralyzed I knew I was in my body but could not feel it, all I had was my vision which was tethered to the current fixed viewpoint.
Overall the trip was amazing I was shocked how it peaked so early but then lasted for many hours at a great manageable intensity. I'm curious if other people often feel like they cannot move and are paralyzed at times during a trip? The beginning of the trip was the heaviest experience mushroom experience I've ever had. Thx for reading.
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JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens
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1g of CCs has had me tripping harder than anything, I've never done Cubensis, but I've done 2c-e (18mg), 2c-i (25mg) , LSD (~300 mics) and 1g Copelandia Cyanescens with copious weed had me tripping harder than any of em. I should think 1g of CC's correlates to more than 2-3g of cubes. Probably a ++++ experience for some of it, but I'm not too sure what that means? I couldn't make sense of who I was or where I was, I felt "lost in time", everything was just swirling psychedelic colours, I had no perception of anything except how beautiful this state was, also that was the strongest euphoria of my life.
I've done half g's of them twice before, once without weed, which gave me a subtle but really philosophical and euphoric trip, and once with weed which gave me the same thing but with quite strong visuals and more confusion.
Oh don't underestimate the Hawaiians! They're damn good shrooms, and if you smoke weed on them, expect the psychedelia to increase ten-fold.
.5gs will be a good fun dose that you wont regret. You could probably afford to go up towards 1g seeing as you're experienced with 2c's but don't expect as little as some people in this thread have been saying. I wouldn't reccomend more than 1g unless you have done big doses of the 2c's.
Length is about 6hours, peaks from 1.5-3hrs, takes about 30 mins to start feeling it. Then another 30 mins to really start. (if you're going to smoke weed, do it at about 45 mins in! Makes the trip SO good, if you do it too early it wont boost the trip as much, and if you do it too late... well you just wont be able to smoke after like.. 1.5 hours in
Thomas Davie:
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snowydaytoday.....I've never had Pan Cyans (so please take this with a grain of salt)....just Cubes, but many times
If I dose once every 6 0r 7 days, I could stay at as little or as much as I want and not suffer any kind of tolerance issue.
If I dose 2 days in a row, I need approximately twice as much the second days.
If I dose day 1 and 3, about 1.8 times as much
Day 1 and 4, about 1.5-1.6 as much
Day 1 and 5 (what you're doing), approximately 1.4 times as much.
Unless I go 6 days between trips on shrooms, the newest trip seems to lack a certain sparkle. The OEV's are the first to go, and the CEV's for me change from bright flourescent pastels to darker colours. I'm 6ft, 180 lbs.
If I took 2g on Saturday, I would take ~2.8g on a Thursday, but only if no work on Friday. Cubes though.
Bancopuma:
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In my experience, Copelandia/Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms consistently provide a much higher order experience than P. cubensis...for me the "Hawaiian" strain of Copelandia cyanescens reliably yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being much smoother on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, difficult and dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.
(I appreciate I may come across as a mushroom snob a bit here, but I still have a deep fondness and reverence for P. cubensis and have had many amazing experiences with them in the past...these days though personally I'm more concerned about the quality as oppose to quantity of mushrooms I ingest). I'm definitely not alone in having this perspective, and the majority consensus from people who have consumed both species is that Pan cyan provides a superior experience to that of P. cubensis (which is not a species held in particularly high regard by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups).
...there are plenty of threads on the Shroomery and other mycology forums making comparisons regarding the experiential differences between Pan cyans and P. cubensis, and by far the majority consensus from people who have experience with both species is that Pans provide a superior, cleaner, higher order experience than P. cubensis, and this reflects my own experience too.
Dosage wise, 0.5g of dried Pan cyan mushrooms will be sufficient for a good experience (particularly if you are sensitive, which you appear to be), whereas 1g dried would provide a deep water psychedelic experience for most people (some dosage advice in the Copelandia cyanescens grow guide linked below).
If you are considering other species widely considered superior to P. cubensis in experiential quality (by indigenous Mexicans groups and growers alike), you may want to research P. hoogshagenii 'Semperviva' and P. mexicana, with the added bonus these may be easier species to grow than Copelandia cyanescens with the right grow setup.
Pic 1: After the substrate is fully colonized, it will look almost completely white, uncover and add your casing layer.
Pic 2: Had success just growing on a table top with humidifier sitting on same table with timer set to 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, with around 95% humidity, directing the mist toward the cake pans, no more misting!
Pic 3: Final fruiting pic
Pic 4: 300mg of pure tetrahydroharmine or THH at very top of pic in weigher to take with the pan cyan.
Pic 5: One of my favorite woman house DJ's: Music sounds infinitely beautiful with the combo of pan cyan + THH
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