Fentanyl is garbage, and it ruined heroin.

[FuckinAcidMan]

Community poppy gardens and education for licensed opium poppy tenders

Lisence/tax/regulate heavily

Opium only no altered opiods/no heroin
[NO OXY NO HYDROS NO BULLSHIT GO TO A PAIN SPECIALIST FOR MEDICINE THAT IS NOT FOR RECREATIONAL USE]

[I DONT KNOW ABOUT HEROIN, LIKE BRO U A LIL TOO SKRONG, THATS SOME KINDA PERSONAL DECISION THAT SHOULD PERHAPS BE A BIT MORE HIDDEN THO NOT ILLEGAL OR PUNISHED]

OK I'm calmed down now sorry I was pumped up about that


So anyway you could have hipster farm to table opium dens with classy snacks and coffees


Fuckin do it Biden you'll be literally the coolest lame president ever if ya do this


Plz steal this idea. Actually, Republicans,


Plz take my idea instead and take my idea and make it Republican party policy

U would get some seriously needed good/bad/non trump PR

Gimme the den

The opium den with friggin


Tasteful alternative jazz or some bullshit ambient music on in the background and like chess sets and computers and old game systems


Fuckin gimme a space to enjoy hanging out with other narcotic enthusiasts for a few hours cause I'm an adult and can enjoy myself how I see fit and shouldn't have to keep my hedonism in some bullshit closet like a gay person in 1950 lmfao

 

[Xorkoth]

Thanks for that JTemperance. I almost flat out asked in the fentanyl thread about euphoria. I have always thought being an opiate of course it has euphoria. Fentanyl patches were always sought after too. I would imagine any opiate that take away sickness is euphoric. The relief is euphoric. I wonder if someone can differentiate a small dose of heroin with a small dose of fentanyl. Maybe not until larger doses are taken.

I have to say there was a time period (1990's-2000's) where the word on the street was heroin was getting purer and purer and now people can snort or smoke it compared to the weaker stuff of say the 1950's. Odd how at that time period although fentanyl was in a lot of street heroin it was not like it is today. But logically if someone can make as much money with less poppies then it was bound to happen.

I believe fentanyl started becoming widely prevalent in the 2010s, and not before. The rise of the dark web led to widespread fentanyl and fentanyl analogue distribution. In the 90s, heroin was heroin and it was indeed becoming higher quality.

 

[JackARoe]

I believe fentanyl started becoming widely prevalent in the 2010s, and not before. The rise of the dark web led to widespread fentanyl and fentanyl analogue distribution. In the 90s, heroin was heroin and it was indeed becoming higher quality.

I believe Charlie Parker would have loved the heroin of the 80's and 90's. Some of those Jazz biographies are pretty funny when they describe the weak heroin of all the other cities except LA and NY in the 40's 50's. These guys would buy such stepped on stuff until they got back to NYC. lol But if fentanyl were around back then I believe we would have lost a lot of Jazz musicians way too soon. Some are still around in their 80's and 90's today, of course long off any heroin. (like Sonny Rollins)

 

[JTemperance]

There were isolated instances of fentanyl in the US heroin supply from the early 80s onward, possibly the late 70s. I know it appeared in the Bay Area in the early 80s on a moderate scale, with a cut designed to resemble pre-BTH brown powder heroin from Mexico. I read a NIDA paper from ~1982/83 discussing it which predicted the displacement of heroin by fentanyl, almost exactly as it happened... in some ways, the surprising thing is that it took this long.

3-methylfentanyl called "China White" also showed up in the 80s, but the next big occurrence of fentanyl was in 1991 with the "Tango & Cash" stamp bag in the New York City area.

I remember that in the summer of 2006, there was a big wave of fentanyl deaths in the Philadelphia area, also.

 

[JackARoe]

Right! China white was a common term. And in the 80's there were some TV specials on "killer dope" and fentanyl. Fentanyl has surfaced. (I wonder when the first time was in street heroln? Any guesses?)
Some of the said hot shot deaths were most likely fentanyl. Although a heroin OD was also common. It would be very good if we had every single bit of info on every OD and what actually was in a person's blood stream at the time. I mean even going back years. We probably started documenting that after a certain date. But it would be nice if we had a clearer history.

 

[watermellon]

Right! China white was a common term. And in the 80's there were some TV specials on "killer dope" and fentanyl. Fentanyl has surfaced. (I wonder when the first time was in street heroln? Any guesses?)
Some of the said hot shot deaths were most likely fentanyl. Although a heroin OD was also common. It would be very good if we had every single bit of info on every OD and what actually was in a person's blood stream at the time. I mean even going back years. We probably started documenting that after a certain date. But it would be nice if we had a clearer history.

I never really came close to od'ing until the fent dope came around. The few times I've been narcan'd was fent. And the last few years when I do use their is always a few spray bottles of narcan in the house and everyone knows where it is and how to use it

 

[Xorkoth]

There were isolated instances of fentanyl in the US heroin supply from the early 80s onward, possibly the late 70s. I know it appeared in the Bay Area in the early 80s on a moderate scale, with a cut designed to resemble pre-BTH brown powder heroin from Mexico. I read a NIDA paper from ~1982/83 discussing it which predicted the displacement of heroin by fentanyl, almost exactly as it happened... in some ways, the surprising thing is that it took this long.

3-methylfentanyl called "China White" also showed up in the 80s, but the next big occurrence of fentanyl was in 1991 with the "Tango & Cash" stamp bag in the New York City area.

I remember that in the summer of 2006, there was a big wave of fentanyl deaths in the Philadelphia area, also.

Oh I didn't realize that, thanks. I thought "china white" referred to white powder heroin.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Yeah back in the day in the early 2000's I remember hearing about Fentanyl being in some of the Dope in Camden, NJ and Philly and given they are right next to each other it isn't surprising it was in both spots. But yeah pre-fent epidemic that was a thing in those areas at times and some people actually sought it out mainly cuz they didn't know any better. The Dope in Camden I used to buy once in awhile would be ridiculously strong like one bag was like 4 bags of the product further up north in jersey where I grew up. The bundles also costed more money down there. I'm pretty sure I just got really good Heroin tho cuz the high was different then FentaDope. But I copped in Camden driving down for over a year at one point cuz the product was so superior.

 

[Hsniffer]

Yeah back in the day in the early 2000's I remember hearing about Fentanyl being in some of the Dope in Camden, NJ and Philly and given they are right next to each other it isn't surprising it was in both spots. But yeah pre-fent epidemic that was a thing in those areas at times and some people actually sought it out mainly cuz they didn't know any better. The Dope in Camden I used to buy once in awhile would be ridiculously strong like one bag was like 4 bags of the product further up north in jersey where I grew up. The bundles also costed more money down there. I'm pretty sure I just got really good Heroin tho cuz the high was different then FentaDope. But I copped in Camden driving down for over a year at one point cuz the product was so superior.

maybe I'm crazy but I always felt like Camden had stronger dope than say Paterson. Back when bags were $10 in Camden I swear one of those was like 3 or 4 Paterson bags.

 

[endlessnameless]

The very slightly off-white Heroin that was doing the rounds in Dublin before 'The Great Drought' of 2010-2011 (and on into 2012 in some parts of Ireland and the UK) was also known as 'China White'. Hasnt been anything like it since, although the regular Number 3 Afghan Brown did eventually make its vinegary/sometimes fishy return. Frankly the product going around Dublins Northside isnt worth getting a habit over. Numbed out on it, in absolute misery coming off it. Fuck Heroin.

 

[yubacity]

Yeah those giganthemum poppies is also what I used primarily from 1994-2009. On and off. I even chipped a year. Took it twice a week and spent the off days in mild withdrawal. It sucked. Better to either be fully on or off. Balance is more important. The methadone/bupe philosophy knows that too. But yes, I would take 10-12 large pods in the morning, 10-12 pods at night. At that time my family owned a very busy flower store and I had accounts at places all over the world and had too many boxes of potent poppies come in constantly. (Some of those poppies still exist in banquet halls and fire stations as decor our store did)

I think poppy tea withdrawal was the first time I realized that there are probably some forms of opiate withdrawal that will kill you. One time I had such a hard time getting off myself I went into a 5 day detox. (I said it was heroin, did not want to explain poppies) My BP went dangerously high. But as the other heroin addicts were feeling chipper on day 5, the day they get out, I was just as sick as when I went in. But I stayed off and 3 months later went Quepos Costa Rica to see The String Cheese Incident and had the best time of my life tripping through the rainforest and seeing music. The moral of the story being if someone is going through a big undertaking make sure when you are fully out of the woods you plan a vacation for yourself. The mind needs that. I stayed off poppies 3 years after that. Or at least was not a daily user.

Anyway, yeah fentanyl (sorry for getting off topic). I almost want to try straight up fentanyl.

Couple of days a week even to much like you said I did them during day and heroin in morning and night . I did that for 13 years non stop and when I quit I came on here said how long until I feel normal people saying week 2 weeks . I'm thinking it been 3 weeks my legs still killing me I been off the brown 3 weeks why am I like this.only when I thought hang on must be pods and saw it mentioned here. Would never have thought pod wd be worse then heroin

You are also right with pods u either in or out it cant even be a weekly thing u still get the shits it goes right into ur bobes

 

[yubacity]

I know we not allowed I'm back in the states for good september is there still heroin in northern California not asking for source but just if it worth me trying

 

[Xorkoth]

My understanding is that virtually all of the "heroin" in America is mostly or completely fentanyl now. Obviously real stuff does still exist but chances are if the original source of whatever you're getting is the Mexican cartels, it's fentanyl. And even fuckheads who want to be drug barons can order fentanyl analogues online and sell a gram for insane profit on the street. It's a pretty bad situation for street drugs over here these days, man.

 

[JackARoe]

With tolerance ruined I wonder if heroin will ever make a come back? It is not just the US. I have relatives all over the world that say fentanyl is taking over. It pays to take care where ever you are in this world and not get complacent. But even if quality heroin did make a comeback like the 80's-90's would it work on people with a strong tolerance to fentanyl?

Growing poppies is a chore. Fentanyl just made a drug dealers life easy. But I wonder where this leads. How does heroin make a comeback to the public when fentanyl ruined tolerance? Maybe it would be just for new users. I am so glad I have stayed on kratom as I would have at some point ventured out into the streets and who knows what I would have gotten. Saying that I probably should be dead. I can't figure out what I am doing alive these days? Confusing.

 

[yubacity]

With tolerance ruined I wonder if heroin will ever make a come back? It is not just the US. I have relatives all over the world that say fentanyl is taking over. It pays to take care where ever you are in this world and not get complacent. But even if quality heroin did make a comeback like the 80's-90's would it work on people with a strong tolerance to fentanyl?

Growing poppies is a chore. Fentanyl just made a drug dealers life easy. But I wonder where this leads. How does heroin make a comeback to the public when fentanyl ruined tolerance? Maybe it would be just for new users. I am so glad I have stayed on kratom as I would have at some point ventured out into the streets and who knows what I would have gotten. Saying that I probably should be dead. I can't figure out what I am doing alive these days? Confusing.

How long would it take to reset tolerance if say buy some chance heroin became legal for all addicts. Would a medicated detox then a prescription heroin be possible . Because there has to be a way out from fent. You cant keep losing 100 000 lives a year its be criminal negligence by the government to let that happen .I have no experience of fent i only ever done heroin in the UK once i did do some from another source and it was different just a deep sleep and for a few days after felt brain damaged it was cut with something 13 years of brown i know gear.

 

[JackARoe]

How long would it take to reset tolerance if say buy some chance heroin became legal for all addicts.

Excellent point Yuba, tolerance can go down if someone abstains. I guess that is how heroin makes a comeback. Not sure how long, I have never really had fentanyl that I know of. Have not had a glassine bag (East coast USA) nor a balloon (West coast USA) since 1990. That was around the time I cleaned up and found out about poppy tea. But I would think a few months of abstinence would reset a lot of tolerance.

 

[yubacity]

Excellent point Yuba, tolerance can go down if someone abstains. I guess that is how heroin makes a comeback. Not sure how long, I have never really had fentanyl that I know of. Have not had a glassine bag (East coast USA) nor a balloon (West coast USA) since 1990. That was around the time I cleaned up and found out about poppy tea. But I would think a few months of abstinence would reset a lot of tolerance.

You just broke my heart I was thinking a week of using meds and then people could switch . But you are right thinking about it everytime I quit for a week or two and gone back tolerance back to pre detox levels in days will have to be months not weeks .

That just paints a grim picture because how many of us can abstain for so long . Also means even with full legalisation and medical heroin available only a minority will make the switch and fent will be used with little effect. If the fuck8ng government had done what it should have before it was mass produced in Mexico how many lives would gave been saved . But nobody gives a fuck we junkies we weak while the people saying it rely on alcohol or dependant on it

 

[JackARoe]

Yuba with opiates even taking a little time off helps reset tolerance. The only drug where tolerance never lifted (for me) was oxycodone but I was never a big fan. But backing off morphine for some weeks for sure helped. Also you can lower your tolerance in different ways I would imagine.

I think resetting opiate tolerance is much more doable than resetting benzo tolerance. Opiates seem to follow a logical pattern.

 

[yubacity]

Yuba with opiates even taking a little time off helps reset tolerance. The only drug where tolerance never lifted (for me) was oxycodone but I was never a big fan. But backing off morphine for some weeks for sure helped. Also you can lower your tolerance in different ways I would imagine.

I think resetting opiate tolerance is much more doable than resetting benzo tolerance. Opiates seem to follow a logical pattern.

Hopefully that can happen the only way out the mess . It really bothers me how people can ignore the issue 100 000 people and it rising . unfortunately the commitment of federal and state resources needed wont happen. I'm just grateful I been on the gear while in UK because when I'm back in states it be pods for me . There hopefully be a cut of point where so many people have been affected by the loss of loved ones it effect people political futures to ignore problem . Easy to say cut of point but that people lives .

 

[toastedpanda]

Personally good old school and fairly high purity H can still be found, backed by tests from Energy Control. From what I can discern its sourced from Mexico/Central or South American producers. I believe the Taliban has banned poppy production again now that their back in power and not funding an insurgency so I suspect this will be a continuing trend.