Opioids Fentanyl to methadone

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I wouldn't mind some sleepiness. Here I am in agonizing pain at 2 am. Sometimes I pray for the Lord to take me home. My King and Saviour. If God punishes those he loves, I must be high on the list

The nights are by far the longest time, I've zero belief in a testing/punishing God, but if it is a test, you are acing it with honors.

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Yes,your both acing it!and I'm very sorry sleep eludes you,maybe you can make a separate appt,and really lay it on your doctor,and have your husband in with you so he can lay it on him too.

 

[Fleischfresser?]

I'm afraid to, my husband is very intimidated by Dr s so that doesn't help. I have to try and think it out what to say every time. I don't quite know how to proceed. Btw, from the first day I signed on here, there is this guy that is on every post I am, yet never leaves a smiley etc. I just told him and he replied why should I have to acknowledge you ? I said you don't but that's hurtful what he replied instead of something nice

 

[Fleischfresser?]

I get the husband thing. I know these doctors can play ignorant and make it difficult,but you are suffering and sleep is the only way to restore and heal,I'm so sorry your pain is not being covered at all, you need a stronger pain med. Yesterday my med was increased by 10mg so I'm at 60mg of methadone and everything was ok,today now I scared my family cuz they said I was very white and not breathing right,so I woke to two of my daughters and son slapping my foot and telling me to get up and start moving, scary cuz this was three hours after I took it,and I was very messed up,I had a very hard time of staying up,and felt like I was drunk by100%and nausea ,the nausea was god awful This is with out any fentynal,or any other drug except for gabapentin and blood pressure meds.Sleeping is one thing but not breathing???And one of my daughters brought over a rock star drink,and some Starbucks coffee.How utterly wrong.Why??does this drug have no frame work,ya know like it's different one day to the next I'm fine the first nite, then out like a damn broke bulb the next, god awful now im not sure what to do,will I get used to 60 ?or should I go down ?Also have they given you anything to help you sleep?To bad we can't advocate for each other.

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Your right I will not be upping any dose,I will see how it works tomorrow,I'm just about out of the withdrawal signs,mainly just cold off and on and cramping in my muscles.I will deal with it,and don't worry my son is right here and my husband so there will be no overdose.maybe that's why they wait the three days so u can accumulate

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Yes, they want you around. I'm back putting this cream on my painful legs. It's all there is till morning. And shaking.hope you are asleep.. It's 2:30

 

[hellothereeveryone]

I need education ,I'm sorry if this is wrong thread but couldn't quite find a thread like mine ,I'm a 61 yr old that have been on fentynal for 17 plus yrs, for spine issues in the last couple yrs my patch was lower to 25 McG every 72 hrs,and this is where my ignorance nailed me,I was disgusted that I lay in bed all day feeling like a stone,not doing to much but caring for my parrot and cat,the house was a shambles and me ashamed,so I started putting on a new patch before the old ran out,and wow I thought I was on to something,like a fool,I figured case long as I didn't go to the streets looking I was fine anyway as you probably figured out,I started needed more,so I would cut a strip of and leave it my inner cheek,I knew then I was no longer a patient but a addict,now all hell has broken loose,my last visit for refill they checked my urine and found the marijuana,inside I think I knew I had to get off and I'm not strong enough to go through the hellish experience,tried once and I was 16 days in and still ducker then a dog,so tomorrow I'm going to the methadone clinic,feeling like a failure due to the stigma involved,but I gotta do it ,my question is ,will methadone stop the withdrawals and help with my spine? Thankyou for any thoughts and sorry again for the length.

Hello there,
I just did the same thing but I was not on fentanyl as long as you were. I am going into week 3 with no fent and am doing fine.
This is the thing about methadone-clinics like to start you at 30-40mg and sometimes that isn’t enough to completely avoid all withdrawals. You need to keep going up until you reach the dose that is right for you. Depending on the clinic, this can be done every day. Every day you can ask your counselor to go up in your dose and explain that you are still in withdrawal.
You might have to “supplement” until they get you to the right dose though but this can be tricky. You don’t want to do too much and OD. Methadone is very powerful and with the fent it can be dangerous. I would wait at least 20 minutes after your methadone dose to see if you are still experiencing withdrawals. If so, just do a SMALL amount of fent just till you feel better. Repeat every day until the methadone is enough. Again, BE CAREFUL!

 

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Hi. Try not to use gaba with methadone. it`s dangerous

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Dear hello and slaugh,so far I'm at 60mg methadone and have taken two gabapentin, normally would take four,spaced out though the day. I will keep it there and talk to the doc tomorrow.i guess it brings up that guestion,am I driven by the pain or addiction.i had to stop the patch abuse shoulda, woulda, coulda,is my only friends in this. How high are you regarding dose of methadone?Dear Sweetie pie what pain cream do you use? I remember using a whole tube of aspercream when my disk blew in my neck,and it didn't do nothing I wonder if voltarin would do anything better for you?

 

[Fleischfresser?]

My pain clinic doctor started giving me sample tubes when it first came out,and in the beginning I really believe it did help,it seemed to soak in better,and was stronger than other over the counter cream,what you need is a muscle relaxer to go with it.I know you said you only have a pain killer that you can take twice a day which is ridiculous and explains why your having so much pain.My daughter has spastic muscle pain in her upper back and swears by tizanidine. She currently has had a muscle biopsy and has to go to a specialist to have it read for her,but she went on the internet and with all her symptoms and what the report said, she is convinced it's ALsI'm praying with all my soul it's notI also take trazaodone 150mg 2 x at bedtime, another thing I'm gonna have to get off of,I always thought of gabapentin and trazodone as no big deal,but apparently they are,but for you the trazodone maybe helpful( antidepressant is believed to affect serotonin levels in the brain, but along with treating depression and anxiety, it can be helpful for a variety of other conditions. For example, trazodone uses can include treating symptoms of anxiety and pain, including chronic pain conditions like fibromyalgia.)plus it's given for sleep which is why my previous doctor prescribed it. I think both trazodone and gabapentin would be very helpful for you.If I were you I would say you are in a group that has the same medical issue you have,and a fair amount of them are on these two medications as well as their pain medication,and as I have terrible problems with sleeping and break through pain wonder if you can prescribe them for me.Its all honest and other than this site I never knew gabapentin was a drug that was abused.Thankgod .

 

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Hi. Try not to use gaba with methadone. it`s dangerous

In what way dangerous?
I've read lots on gabapentin since being prescribed it alonside buprenorphine for chronic pain and while it has been detected in overdose deaths, it wasn't thought to have been causative in any I read about.

 

[Painful One]

Yes "Painful one,,"certainly knows the hell fentynal withdrawal can be,and I'm so frickin impressed that she was even able too. I'm not trying to be difficult but I think I will stay away from the kratom,just fearful of it, probably sounds darn right stupid considering the two drugs I'm playing with nowI'm really wondering if I use my fentynal pain patch cut in half if it would work?,in another three days I will be at 50 mg of methadone,when I say work I mean keep away withdrawal's,and ease my pain.The one counselor said she kept blankets in her office and have had people curled up on her floor.I so appreciate everything,it's hard to put into words other than Thankyou all so so much,these conversations have kept me from going batty.

I apologize I did not get back until now. I haven’t read all the other replies yet or where you are at now but I wanted to give you some information quickly.
I do not think you need to go to detox before switching over but stop taking the fentanyl if you are taking the methadone.
I don’t know anything about Methadone but I knew other people would help you on here.
Good people here.
I hit post before I was done.
let me get caught up with what is currently happening with you Love and then I will reply.

 

[Painful One]

I worry about you getting on Methadone. I have no experience with it but I have read what others have to say about it and it is a last resort thing in my mind.
That is the reason I advised you to find a pain management doctor and get the MS Contin (long acting morphine).
I know that is really hard to do now days and it is a damn shame that pain patients get sent to the Methadone clinic.
I almost ended up there myself.
After the year without sleep due to chronic pain from injuries due to auto accident, I started trying to find stuff from the street and that is when I had a brief run in with fentanyl.
I ended up overdosing on Tylenol. I was not thinking straight due to the pain and I couldn’t keep track of time and just kept taking more Tylenol. I thought it had been hours in between doses but it hadn’t.
I ended up having liver failure in the ICU. I shouldn’t be alive. I had a Near Death Experience.
They just sent me home with a bottle of suboxone with no referral, no refills.
I ended up back at the hospital and was in so much pain they had a patient advocate come and take me to her office.
I was literally curled up on her office floor moaning in pain.
This patient advocate found me the doctor I have now. He got me in quick and said my choices were now suboxone, MS Contin, OxyContin, or some other things and I remembered that one doctor had given me some of the MS Contin one time and it made a world of difference.
It actually controlled the pain and I could think straight and function and sleep.
It was a good choice. It has helped me for 13 years now and I haven’t had to have the dosage raised until just now due to hot flashes and night sweats my doctor said it sounded like I was at the point where I just needed a bit of an increase in dosage.
It has helped to correct the situation. I was about to die from sweating.
I apologize for not getting back to you. I have been dealing with massive chronic pain problems myself.
This MS Contin really made a huge difference and I wanted to encourage you to try to find that before starting the Methadone.
People call the Methadone liquid handcuffs and talk a lot about the nausea and problems from just the Methadone.
I have not had that with the MS Contin.

I am so sorry my fellow pain patients for the medical system failing so many.
Don‘t give up. Keep trying.
You are a human being and have human rights to pain control!
Remind them of that!!
You are precious and yes, this life is a test and I think people who know great pain also have great wisdom.
You matter. You are not useless and a burden on society.
I send you my love.
YOU MUST BE YOUR OWN ADVOCATE!
Good Luck.

 

[Nas47]

Methadone will cover any withdrawl from fent-don't worry about that....but is very addictive too.Bupre is option,vut is more difficult to transition on it,while on fent.and is also addictive.Like Jack say,if you can replace it with kratom is the best option for me too.But it would be way harder,cause Kratom is relatively weak opioid and fent is very strong.Having some pregabaline or gabapentine aside is good.Sucess ma friend.

 

[Painful One]

Yes, they want you around. I'm back putting this cream on my painful legs. It's all there is till morning. And shaking.hope you are asleep.. It's 2:30

I have been there. Soooooo many times.
That sucks.
I actually found a cream at the Mexican stores that is a veterinarian cream they put on the legs of race horses.
It helped. But that is how desperate I got.
So sorry.

 

[Painful One]

Hi , I have been using Magnilife Restless Legs Cream. It seems to help a little. BC I tried stopping it do to cost and noticed the difference so I get a jar for $13 . I looked at Voltaren the other day and thought should I ? But these uncontrollable muscles are something else. I hate that I'm getting less done. So does hubby ! Do you really think your pain is less ? That would be wonderful !

Clonazepam has controlled the muscle tightness etc. problems for me and has helped for sleep.
I would avoid getting on benzodiazepines though unless absolutely necessary.
My God, the withdrawal from that is worse than opiate withdrawal.
But I have some weird sleep disorder and I must take it.

I want to mention that Meditation and breathing exercises helped me ALOT.
I am a master at meditation now. After learning it myself from library books and practice, practice, practice.
Give it a try.

Also, Kratom is strong enough to keep me out of withdrawal from morphine, so, it is pretty strong at relieving withdrawal.
Not so great at pain relief.
I always have some on hand. Just in case I run a day short on medication or something.
It does give one piece of mind to know there is something for emergency back up.
Lots of people have found Kratom to be enough for them.
I never thought it would work so well but it does.
I just wanted to mention that, as I know how hard it is to figure things out when life all of a sudden drops hell on you.
This website and the people here have been invaluable to me, have saved my life many times.

 

[Painful One]

Not to be nosey, but may I ask if your husband scooped you up in his arms on your wedding day?

Mine did not.
May be why I am divorced. Lol!

Oh painful one so happy and relieved to see you back. However, sad to read all the pain and hospitalizations you have suffered. My dear, what a terrible thing to go through. Yes, Tylenol has a ceiling so once you have taken the directed amount it cannot help further, just do damage. I did not know where you went. Glad you are back. Oh my goodness I imagine being stranded somewhere without my meds ! Is this life or death ?

Thank you sweetheart. I appreciate that. Yeah, I had no idea about the Tylenol. I had no idea about any of it until I found myself drowning in it.
I could not understand why the pain did not go away. I thought it would if I just gave it time.
It is a miracle I hung in there as long as I did. I worked full time through the year without sleep.
I do NOT want ANYONE else to experience what I endured. Unspeakable it was.
So, I try to advise where I can.

This website is a life saver.
I wish I had found it sooner.
There are great people here whom I love very much.
We have all been through a lot together.
It is just nice to find others who understand!
This kind of stuff can make you crazy.
This group of people have much wisdom and experience.

It does feel like death at times doesn’t it?
I have found it is a matter of Management.
Managing the symptoms, pain, and medication.
It is hard with chronic pain/injury because the pain medication is addictive.
It can also cause more pain if the dosage is not right.
You need a pain management doctor who knows what they are doing. So important!
I have a family member giving my pain medication to me so that I don’t overuse it and get myself into big trouble.
Withdrawal is horrific.
Opiate withdrawal actually feels like kidney failure. (Yeah, I had that too).
When I first showed up to my doctor in withdrawal I told him I was having kidney failure.
It feels very similar. It is serious stuff.
He said “it feels like kidney failure huh?” I nodded and told him how much I appreciated that he helped people like me.
Not many doctors actually care anymore. They are not willing to jump through all the regulations and nonsense the lawmakers have put on them.
Yet these same lawmakers are doing nothing about the huge fentanyl problem that they have let in!
Once you get started on a medication, it is very hard to switch medication or to reduce dosage.
It must be done slowly and over time with small cuts and waiting for your body to adjust.
That holds true for pretty much all medications.
Gabapentin and antidepressants included. Do not even try to just cold turkey any of those.
It must be done slowly and over time.

Yeah, being stranded somewhere without your medication is not something you want to experience.
Although, you probably have, just as I have.
I had to learn to MANAGE it so that doesn’t happen.
It gives me piece of mind to have some Kratom around just in case.
Many people have to find and go to Methadone clinics as a “guest” when they leave home.
I am glad I have medication that I can take with me.
The mornings are so bad, I don’t think I could make it to a Methadone clinic to get relief.
I know there are a lot of people with chronic pain, injuries, illnesses that should not have to go to the Methadone clinic for help!
It makes me furious.

I guess we all have to do what we have to do though.
You will find your way.
Just don’t give up.
Keep on trying. It is a trial and error type thing. Especially with the problems that exist now to even find medical help!
Keep talking and research things on your own.
Do the best you can my friend.
I send my love and lots of hugs.
You are not alone.

 

[Painful One]

Yes, same thing here, hubby keeps them and he doesn't care about or take any pain med type thing. Lucky, he just finished working on our little run about car. They no longer make the part so, he made our own ! I'm actually impressed. It helps make the other vehicle payment. Well, is husband carrying wife over the threshold thing of the past ? I really haven't checked with anyone till now. Just too much to have severe pain and wd s.enough to give someone a heart attack. And most Dr s do not understand, by their own admission, the complications of pain management. It is frightening. Thankfully I have someone trying to help me.that pain contract, I signed it without reading. I just need help ! You know there's pain and then there's PAIN. I hope Fleischfresser is getting adequate, appropriate help. So grateful to have all of you to go to. Love to you❤

I have to say that I am WAY impressed with your husband making his own vehicle part!
He is a keeper! That is my kind of guy.
I am glad he is a help to you with your condition. It can be managed. Just take it day by day.

I hope men carrying their wives over the threshold is NOT a thing of the past.
Let‘s not make it a thing of the past guys.
Romance is Awesome and so is Tradition.
I’m an old fashion Lady.
Being treated properly gives great returns.
I always made sure to show my appreciation.
*wink

I hope Flischfresser is getting appropriate and adequate treatment also.
I imagine she is not feeling so good right now.
Medication changes are a nightmare.
I tell you though, going from the pits of hell to the MS Contin was amazing.
I actually slept, ate, and had dreams and a personality again.
Not to mention I got huge breaks in the chronic left leg femur bone searing pain and electrocution.
It was so strange and amazing.
I was SO relieved when I found the right help for me.
I thought to myself - “Wow! I won The Golden Ticket!”
It kinda reminded me of how Charlie must have felt from Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. Lol!
I was sad that such normal things felt so foreign.
More like a warrior coming back from war.

Let us know how you are FF.
Our thoughts and love are with you sister.
Hang tough.
you can do this.

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Not to be nosey, but may I ask if your husband scooped you up in his arms on your wedding day?

 

[Fleischfresser?]

Not to be nosey, but may I ask if your husband scooped you up in his arms on your wedding

Not to be nosey, but may I ask if your husband scooped you up in his arms on your wedding day?