FogBong!

Egzoset

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Salutations everyone,

There are times when cannabis consumers start coughing hard and when/if this happens then it kind of ruins the experience, at least for me.

Some time ago i was reading about 2 major theories, one in favour of heat removal while the other had to do with compensating for dryness... In the begining i chose to combine both methods in a somewhat creative manner: by including cold fog from a nebulizer in my vapour path! This concept evolved as schematized below:

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Here's how it works. The main inhalation tube is curved and punched to create a tiny hole below the elbow so that condensed water forming inside will effectively obturate that opening (which depends on surface tension, apperture and pressure, whatever)... Well, instead of trying to explain it any further lets just have a video instead:


The little water pound inside the main vapour line seals it between inhalations ideally, in order to keep the precious molecules inside until needed that is. Proceeding as illustrated i've managed to render harsh fumets manageable while previously i couldn't handle them without at least some form of conditioning. Moreover, this particular setup can be adapted to conduct a comparative test between cold fog and warm mist:

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All it takes is a 3rd tube to supply warm mist from an external/separated generator. In addition, lets consider the fact that cannabic vapour will be thermalized inside a ballon, etc. In my opinion we haven't explored all there is to be in the marvelous world of glassware and conditioning water toys just yet!... A comparative experiment would submit human subjects to inhalation using the very same mechanical configuration, only the source of moisture would differ so it becomes easier to evaluate a prefered method against another, etc.

Of course this is for your entertainment only, at most i'm sharing this merely to evoke possible future solutions yet to be seen, because i think there are better things to do than "wash" the noble fumet with a rain of water...

=D
 

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Salutations TripNotYzm,

I think I'd rather...

Me neither as it's even less convenient than it looks... By the way, i may have omitted to mention the fact that this was only meant as an experiment:

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The various paths can be described in the following order:

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    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Room-Temperature Fresh Air[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#0010C7"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#0010C7"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]2[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Dry/Hot Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]3[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Dry/Cooled/Blended Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#d733d7"][SIZE=4][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]4[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#FF8C00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]5[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Water-Washed Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#FFFF00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]6[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#FFFF00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]7[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Fog-Conditioned Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#008000"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]8[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])

Couphing was the trigger (e.g. central topic), controlled Fog Conditioning was my suggestion for an answer:

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My next move will be to go back to my 1st implementation (in order to apply the previously illustrated "Mixing Aperture" concept, from right above):

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Too bad cheap nebulizers ain't properly reliable in this configuration (read health hazardous in case of catastrophic failure leading to a leak into the surrounding water, *iF* the sealing happens not to be air-tight!), IMHO... I still took my chances as i considered it was for evaluation purposes only.

The commercial nebulizer replacement made me somewhat less worried about possible incidents...

=D
 
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Salutations Z3R0S,

...gatorade bottle and a hose...

Indeed, it seemed to me that preliminary explorations with a Mist maker nebulizer (the metal puck) failed to be easily reproducible. As a result i decided to switch to a commercially available ultrasonic moisturizer that happened to have just the right opening diameter and layout to allow a 3rd-party extension to be attached... Just like the VH sauce bottle experiments before it, this later method was equally criticized but never tried independently of myself, i'm afraid.

...i can make u a koota bong...

No doubt you can but this thread of mine was created to discuss/inform about FOG CONDITIONING.

Though i wouldn't mind to be invited to your own thread to learn what you've got in mind, relatively to regular methods other than FogBong! At least i'm expecting yours to seek a solution to couphing.

=D
 

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Salutations Captain.Heroin,

I'd rather vaporize wax off a skillet.

My table vaporizer generates a cannabic vapour which feels very dry in comparison to the instantaneous bouquet obtained through a portable vaporizing pipe; perhaps the main difference between those 2 would be the incorporation of water vapour in the cannabic fumet when burning butane properly, while the electric unit gives me more reason to expect coughing if i don't do something to compensate...

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My understanding of the Skillet/Dome arrangement is that a titanium plate is heated with a torch and hence that's nothing which can be inclosed in a box: it's an semi-open structure where solid extracts are placed on the hot place under a dome in some fashion rendering the vapour easily accessible through a water glass accessory. I hope i got it about right...

In short, the skillet may be similar to my pipe but without the moisture addition: instead my guess is it simply doesn't evacuate humidity considering the reaction is too rapid to dry out the air that carries the goodies.

Euh... Hummm... But while i think of it, don't you use water in your own rig??

:?
 

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less drying of the throat? like a jamaican hot box?

Salutations Captain.Heroin,



My table vaporizer generates a cannabic vapour which feels very dry in comparison to the instantaneous bouquet obtained through a portable vaporizing pipe; perhaps the main difference between those 2 would be the incorporation of water vapour in the cannabic fumet when burning butane properly, while the electric unit gives me more reason to expect coughing if i don't do something to compensate...

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My understanding of the Skillet/Dome arrangement is that a titanium plate is heated with a torch and hence that's nothing which can be inclosed in a box: it's an semi-open structure where solid extracts are placed on the hot place under a dome in some fashion rendering the vapour easily accessible through a water glass accessory. I hope i got it about right...

In short, the skillet may be similar to my pipe but without the moisture addition: instead my guess is it simply doesn't evacuate humidity considering the reaction is too rapid to dry out the air that carries the goodies.

Euh... Hummm... But while i think of it, don't you use water in your own rig??

:?
skillets are generally bongs, to cool the vapour.
 

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Salutations KayWholed,

Skillets are generally bongs, to cool the vapour.

Hummm...



I do notice there's water present directly in the cannabic vapour path!...

Also i just tried a Google Images search and now all i can think of is my urge to run to the next opened restaurant while all that remains accessible is donuts!

Perhaps i better focus on the 1st part: the Jamaican Hot Boxes...

Euh... But fog is cold and nebulizers don't need to heat up water as in a sauna until warm water vapour is formed... The potential of nebulization in portables is totally unexplored but you can bet every bit of energy saved will favour Fog Conditioning in niche applications someday - at least i have dreams of it.

In any case, thank you for the feed back as i'll be searching for more information relative to that part which got me curious...

...sauna vape! Why not?... Of course!!

=D
 
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Hi Egzoset,

This thread interested me a lot as I also find that when taking a too big hit (smoke personally) the experience is something ruined by the following unstoppable coughing.

I smoke out of glass pieces almost exclusively and possess both a dome/nail and skillet attachment if you ever want to see what they look like.

The water I use is always cold, I didn't get good results with warm water in the piece.

What is your hypothesis concerning cold mist in the smoke chamber?
 

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Salutations, euh... HCMS!

:D

...when taking a too big hit (smoke personally) the experience is something ruined by the following unstoppable coughing.

I've found irritation shouldn't be ignored, not even after a short period of abstinence. It's about as easy to fake successful tokes than to simulate climax: maybe intense spasmodic reactions are a good sign in love matters but not so when it comes to satisfying inhalation i guess!!

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I smoke out of glass pieces almost exclusively and possess both a dome/nail and skillet attachment if you ever want to see what they look like.

My opinion on cannabic consumption methods is that the future belongs to Flash Vaporization for a large part. As a matter of fact i have high hopes for (magnetic) Induction Heating applications in this very specific domain since it promisses the power of fire with features only seen in thermostatic devices. You're feedback/background might enlighten me...

I wish i could link you to a couple related post(s) of mine on TokeCity... The thread's title says something about "nails", for me it falls in a same category as Captain.Heroin's torch/skillet method, at least almost. It's just the process still seems a bit excessive, which reflects in the "fading" incidents attributed to "dabbing", if i've been following correctly.

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Off-the-shelf IH Cooking plates (as once seen at Sears) sell for a hundred bucks. Magnetically Induced Heat in Curie Alloys "excited" by such a power source would mean virtual infinite heat (more-than-one-will-ever-need) at a fixed (constant) self-regulated temperature, etc... Here's the spectrum one can expect:

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It's not clear to me if 600 °C @ 1200 Watts (mine is rated "1400 Watts @ 120 Volts A.C.", no losses acounted for) is actually possible in this particular IH Flash-Vaping context but there's going to be practical kitchen applications at 230, 260 & 290 °C for ustensiles meant to cook with oil so it's only a matter of time before dry flower vaporists find out!

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Now such temperature (set through alloy formulation) would most likely affect conditioning requirements, which takes me back to the dryness vs heat problem.
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The water I use is always cold, I didn't get good results with warm water in the piece.

What is your hypothesis concerning cold mist in the smoke chamber?

That's certainly attracting my attention although some 5 months must have passed since i built this contraption:

NSFW:
...this was only meant as an experiment:

11b5jxc.jpg

The various paths can be described in the following order:

Code:
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Room-Temperature Fresh Air[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#0010C7"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#0010C7"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]2[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Dry/Hot Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]3[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Dry/Cooled/Blended Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#d733d7"][SIZE=4][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]4[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#FF8C00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]5[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Water-Washed Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#FFFF00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]6[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I], [I][COLOR="#FFFF00"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]7[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])
    [B][COLOR="#8B4513"]Fog-Conditioned Cannabic Vapor[/COLOR][/B] ([I][COLOR="#008000"][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]8[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/I])

I've determined months later that the simple apparatus shown above failed to include a 3rd tube (on the "hat" between steps #7 and #8, next to the "Mixing Site") where warm mist could have been injected in order to conduct comparative evaluations (cold fog came from my ultrasonic humidifier, e.g. inside). Most unfortunately that's a test yet to be done, all i can tell would be based on my recent observations involving a table unit (defective since 2 days ago!) and a vaporizer pipe... Electric (read "slow") power appears to generate DRY cannabic vapour compared to proper butane combustion generating water vapor as a by-product. Alternately i wish i could capture my pipe's fumet in a bag so it would be possible to fully sample its aroma and taste in somewhat more manageable doses (hence for much longer!)...

Right now all i can think of is some vague reminescence about a comment on droplet size vs temperature, etc.: they'd shrink while they evaporate. So perhaps "size matters" after all...

I wish there was more but that's about where the road ended in the present case. My hope is that these ideas will progress, which was why i posted this here.

=D
 
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SO what you need to do for this is get a bong with more then one chamber, that you can also fill seperatly, put REALLY hot water in one chamber, cold water and ice in the next, and POOF! one of the smoothest hits youll take. however, this is a very limited time thing, cause youre gonna constantly need to refill the ice and hot water. bit of a journey but its worth experiencing.
 

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Salutations Captain.Heroin,
Salutations I<3Hallucinogens,
Salutations everybody,

...I prefer water filtration though.

Water-washing comes with a real disadvantage on the aroma/taste side but i found it could serve its purpose before.

...get a bong with more then one chamber...

Well, have a look at this variation on a theme instead:

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Please pay some special attention to the peculiar fact that my cannabic vapor (from the right-side tube) never ever makes contact with any water or at least not on purpose. Once again water vapor appears to be all i need and i really don't need much since filtration was done previously anyway.

...you can also fill seperatly...

Let me explain what takes place here. For starters i'm using an IH plate to generate boiling water of which only the water vapor is allowed to enter a long PVC tube where successive abrupt changes of airflow reduce that vapor's heat before it makes bubbles inside a cheap glass accessory i've chosen for its "carburetor" opening (some former smoker artifact, actually).

The bubbling action brings down temperature even further, unless there's no water at all or it's time to dump the warmed water in order to replace it with colder water, preferably ice-cold i figure! Unless that's impractical, that is.

...POOF! one of the smoothest hits youll take.

I can understand why most people wouldn't think of an ultrasonic nebulizer for the bong but this implementation illustrates how comparable results can be obtained using nothing more than a plain water boiler - any boiler will do (as long as water vapor can be collected suitably)...

IMHO this proof-of-concept sample proposes the reader to experiment for himself and discover what's his most favourite:

Dry vs Moisturized
Hot vs Cold

Cold water in the boiler (or just having its tube disconnected) would lead to a "Dry" session, "Cold" or "Hot" depending on the cannabic source.

Hot water in the boiler would either correspond to a "Cold" or "Hot" "Moiturized" session, depending on the presence of cold water.

Knowing your preference should help in the immense task of choosing a new vaporizer i believe.

Etc.

=D
 
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Salutations everybody,

Time for an update!

Have a peek how i was revisiting my cannabic conditiong concept with the HerbalAire v2.1 this morning:

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This prevents heat to accumulate too quickly in the main water accessory...

Once again please note that water washing of the noble molecules is avoided at all times since the cannabic vapor (marked "THC" in green) penetrates into a glass cavity near its connection point (on the right side): contrary to the water vapor path it doesn't make contact with water, instead it stays above the water surface where it mixes with water vapor which has been cooled through bubbling (a second time!), e.g. after such warm moist air has left most of its heat behind, during a previous bubbling stage taking place in a secondary bottle (hardly visible in background).

Sure enough moisture conditioning renders electric-dry canna-vapor practically equivalent to the gentle stream which i experience using my self-moisturizing modded VaporGenie pipe. Without this whole contraption pictured above the HA (+ glass stem) - OR ANY OTHER ELECTRIC VAPE - will make me miserable while using this setup i can actually enjoy myself and forget about drinking large amounts of water only to delay repeated caughing and associated nuisance, then cough-cough again, etc...

Although this is just a "Proof-of-Concept" it demonstrates a point with no ambiguity when the experimenter happens to be someone like me who deals with coughing issues, while a typical person may fail to see the benefit at all, of course.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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