Masons

[COZB1]

The movie "National Treasure" was a pretty dope movie and I thought it kept me more so interested in it do to the fact it brought up the secret society of the "masons".

 

[Annapurna1]

are there also such things as "dixons"??...

 

[Pomplemous]

I could have sworn I replied to this. my daddy is a mason- he's not suposed to tell me anything but couldnt resist showing me his apron and pointing out other masons like Prince Charles, Tony Blair, Prince Philip, um...who else.....cant remember - but he explained alot without giving anything away - except the biggest secrets!

they have alot of sway and influence, for a 'gentleman's club' you can only get in if you are recommended or through family. I think.

it's not all funny handshakes and knowing winks - it;'s the way you tie your tie - how you arange your cravatte or how you shake hands, yes - (the rank of mason you are is not only, but partly shown through your handshake - which knuckle you press on theother person when shaking, to show your place. he didnt tell me that but got pissed off that I knew. )
um... stuff like that. verrrry curious. their lodges - he showed me the rituals you have to do when you go in - you could liken it I guess to the stuff you have to do when you go into a catholic church - the bobbing and wetting etc - but it all sounds very demonic and satanic to me - he really didnt say, but I was waiting for him to say the grand master with the goats head appears next etfc.

but its not so like that at all - it's just a bunch of men meeting. and doing eachother favours. and themselves favours.

 

[666isMONEY.com]

Jews & Masons

14 past Presidents of the U$A were Masons.

Masonry was formed as a bridge to Jews and Christians.

The "Masons" trace their heritage to building Soloman's Temple.

For other famous Masons see:

http://www.666ismoney.com/MasonsJews.html

For famous people who took LSD see:

http://www.666ismoney.com/LSD.html

 

[nicnicnic]

Re: Jews & Masons

For other famous Masons see:

http://www.666ismoney.com/MasonsJews.html

I'm always game for a good conspiracy theory but nine times out of ten they fall back on insipid anti-semitism, and I see your site is no different. Bigotry is never revolutionary. Why not be imaginative, like David Icke, and accuse the power elites of being Lizards?

For other 'famous people who took LSD' I would encourage you to challenge yourself and read Shivitti: A Vision, by Ka-Tzetnik 135633. The author uses that psuedonym in memorium to the victims of the Holocaust for whom he has given his voice as a testimony. 'Ka-Tzetnik' means 'Concentration Camp,' and the digits are those that were tatooed on to his arm.

 

[DarthMom]

I think the masons are misrepresented from both sides.

There are those krazies who think they are demonic messengers here from the nth planet of Nibiru to overtake us and Destroy us per the bible.....

Then there are the cute and sweet ignorants who believe they are as happy happy joy joy as those who are thinking about them.

I think originally, it was another way to progress the hermetic "wisdom" taught from their elders, and has become a simple frat for old guys.

Any org that bans women is wrong. Uh...hello. how did you get here, punk?


Although there is a lot of speculation of secret women in the order in the past and now, but...whatever

 

[SoHiAllTheTime]

Any org that bans women is wrong. Uh...hello. how did you get here, punk?

Why is that may i ask? I dont think an organization is wrong just because they ban women or men. That is why we have PRIVATE organizations so they can ban whoever they want.

 

[j33buscr1p3s]

I tend to think any masonic conspiracies are overblown. It's just a group of old people tryin to get away from their wives every once in a while.

 

[Void]

private political organisation fuck up any chance of democracy.

 

[666isMONEY.com]

Re: Re: Jews & Masons

I'm always game for a good conspiracy theory but nine times out of ten they fall back on insipid anti-semitism, and I see your site is no different. Bigotry is never revolutionary.

Truth is antisemetic? Was Jesus an antisemite too? A bigot is someone who is irrational and obstinant. It is not rational to believe millions were exterminated with louse disinfestant and diesel exhaust.

For other 'famous people who took LSD' I would encourage you to challenge yourself and read Shivitti: A Vision, by Ka-Tzetnik 135633. The author uses that psuedonym in memorium to the victims of the Holocaust for whom he has given his voice as a testimony. 'Ka-Tzetnik' means 'Concentration Camp,' and the digits are those that were tatooed on to his arm.

What did you learn from Ka-Tzetnik's book (and why should I believe it), spare me the trouble? I don't doubt someone has those digits tatooed on his arm, I doubt that millions of people were exterminated with louse disinfestant and diesel exhaust and that a body can be cremated in 20 minutes with 3.5 kg coke as alleged by tortured confessors and malicious "witnesses."

Witnesses are unreliable. The best evidence is forensic. There was never a forensic examination of the alleged murder weapon (alleged gas chambers).

 

[hyperborea13]

Not this discussion again...

Actually, I'm kinda flattered by his site. We rule the media, the world, and all the power elites. w00t, go Jews

 

[nicnicnic]

Re: Re: Re: Jews & Masons

Was Jesus an antisemite too?

What? Where did this question come from? No, Jesus was certainly not anti-Semitic; he himself was a Jew and his movement called 12 apostles to represent the 12 tribes of Israel. He was very much a leader of Jewish reform and likely did not expect to create a new and distinct religion; instead he hoped to bring Jews and Gentiles both closer to the one true God, Yahweh.

Jesus was not an anti-semite, but there is sadly a tradition of supposed Jewish guilt in Christian history. The author of Luke's Gospel is anti-semitic and an apologist for Rome, and this has unfortunately helped to institutionalize hatred of Jewish people for hundreds of years among Christians.

If you are hoping to force me into a corner with questions about Zyclon-B it's not going to happen -- I'm not a chemist. Are you? Or are you more or less parroting one of the few 2nd rate scientists who make a living off Holocaust denial?

Your version of history, where the nefarious Jews are acting in secret like some phantom 'Wizard of Oz' hidden behind a curtain, is pure fantasy. There is no hidden Zionist plot. Paul Wolfiwitz is an individual, with his own sympathies, true, but he is certainly not some secret wizard. I am not an apologist for the Bush administration or for Israel ... some of the policies practiced by Israel are racist and barbaric, and you know what?: many Jews are also in conflict with Israeli policy, many Jews want peace, many Jews are forming friendships with muslims -- 'The Jews' are not some Hive Mind Borg.

But how are we to take seriously someone who is an apologist for Hitler? Do you mind if I ask you, how did you come upon 'the truth'? What 'opened your eyes' to the Holocaust 'hoax'? Surely you yourself are not an expert on chemistry and yet you are offering money to any who can prove that the gas chambers were operational. So whose research are you regurgitating and why?

 

[mushman1]

I am jewish. I definately control the world. You are all pawns in my crazy jewish game. On weekends my family drink the blood of a Christian Virgin while plotting the next scam...

I mean really get your head out of your ass.

"But how are we to take seriously someone who is an apologist for Hitler? Do you mind if I ask you, how did you come upon 'the truth'? What 'opened your eyes' to the Holocaust 'hoax'? Surely you yourself are not an expert on chemistry and yet you are offering money to any who can prove that the gas chambers were operational. So whose research are you regurgitating and why?"

^
exactly

 

[sypra]

im in a frat over at my school and when we do our initiation of our pledges we need a rather big room to do it in. our house is very small and for the last 10 years we have been borrowing a masonic temple. now frats are old and their rituals are very very weird... and it just so happens that the masonic temple that we do it at it is setup perfectly for our intitiation. the chairs in the right place, a big table in the middle, etc... kinda freaky if u ask me. basically i agree to the fact that its a frat for old guys

 

[666isMONEY.com]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Jews & Masons

Do you mind if I ask you, how did you come upon 'the truth'? What 'opened your eyes' to the Holocaust 'hoax'? Surely you yourself are not an expert on chemistry and yet you are offering money to any who can prove that the gas chambers were operational. So whose research are you regurgitating and why?

Briefly, I came about The Truth about eliminating money after a religious awakening.

In re the Holohoax, I was always skeptical that the civilized Germans would systematically exterminate people in gas chambers. I was skeptical of the alleged "confessions" about babies being thrown into the gas chamber and people burned alive in huge smouldering pits, with "human fat scooped out in buckets on long curved rods." Stomachs being slit open for gold etc. The same sort of propaganda from WW One.

Having previously read David Irving's, Hitler's War,, and The Murder of Rudolf Hess by a british doctor at Spandau, plus a book called Coup d'etat in America about the assassination of President Kennedy, I was prepared to examine the Holohoax. A mall preacher at the University of Illinois, who I coincidently met a few years later in Tucson, turned me onto the Holohoax. The preacher was a former Professor of History in LaCross, Wiscosin.

This in turn led me to the scientific/historical analysis by A.R. Butz, Hoax of the Twentieth Century and the works by Jurgan Graf, Germar Rudolf et.al from www.vho.org

You can slander me and these fine gentlemen all you want, just like the Pharisees slandered Jesus but you can't argue with their scientific, logistical and historical findings. Sorry, I checked out Nizkor's responses and I have enough brains to read technical details of Diesel exhaust, cremation thermodynamics and etc to know millions of people were not exterminated with louse disinfestant and diesel exhaust and that bodies cannot be cremated in 20 minutes with 3.5kg of coke.

Why do I "regurgitate" this information? Because the Holohoax distorts facts about human nature and I feel it is important how the stupid goium have been deceived.

 

[nicnicnic]

Searching For Bobby Fischer

Because the Holohoax distorts facts about human nature and I feel it is important how the stupid goium have been deceived.

You say you were 'always skeptical,' so it's convenient that you have found historians that agree with your feelings. But that's not what history is about. I'm sorry the history books make you feel bad about human nature. Should we apply the whiteout to all references made to the 'trail of tears' as well? Should we erase the passages about slavery? Because it makes you feel bad should we assume that the number dead in the Hiroshima bombing are greatly exaggerated?

( For anyone curious about 666's refences here's a link to a brief biography of 'historian' David Irving: www.adl.org/holocaust/irving.asp )

It is my opinion that conspiracy theories appeal to people who can not handle personal freedom. You are searching for some logic behind the violence, hoping to contain the irrationality of human history. Maybe there was some cabal behind JFK's assassination but at the same time don't underestimate the power of a hateful idealogue with a gun.

The holocaust story is so horrifying that you would like to hide it away ... but is it really so hard to believe? What about the news from Sudan? What about Bosnia? What about Chechnya? What about South Africa? We who believe in the Holocaust say 'never forget' but then we've never been given a chance to forget as the newspaper remains full of racism and fanatical nationalism.

 

[666isMONEY.com]

Gas Chamber Atrocity Propaganda

You say you were 'always skeptical,' so it's convenient that you have found historians that agree with your feelings.

No, I found historians who were throughgoing, logical, trustwrothy (I checked out their references). I consider A.R. Butz, a computer and electrical enginering professor at Northwestern University (Evanston, IL) to be a genius.

( For anyone curious about 666's refences here's a link to a brief biography of 'historian' David Irving: www.adl.org/holocaust/irving.asp )

ADL slander. Check out the transcript of what Irving had to say on PBS:

Holocaust 'Didn't Happen' #6
http://www.666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html

World-renowned Historian David Irving raised several forensic and logistical issues impeaching the credibility of Holocaust mythologists/atrocity propagandists in an hour-long science program on PBS-TV. ("NOVA" #2711, Holocaust on Trial, October 31, 2000. Transcript available at www.PBS.org.)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2711holocaust.html

Lie #1: Mythologists, citing a Nazi document allege that 97,000 people were processed (i.e., "gassed") in three trucks during the course of five weeks. Irving understates "that is a very substantial accomplishment if you work it out with a pocket calculator" (= 38.4 people/hr./truck, 24/7). The NOVA producers edited out: "twenty people were processed
[deloused/transferred?] per time [not 38.4/hr.] and they drove twenty kilometers [12.4mi.] into the countryside" (Lying About Hitler, Richard J. Evans, 2002, p.216). [How many M.P.H. would the drivers have to do to process 97,000 people in three trucks during the course of five weeks?]

Lie #2: Mythologists allege that 120,000 people/month could be cremated at Auschwitz. Again, Irving invites you to do the math: Assume that each cadaver weighs 125 pounds; crematoria can dispose of 150 lbs/hr., therefor, you would need 139 ovens working 24/7 to cremate 120,000 people/mo. There were only 46 ovens at Auschwitz and the crematoria could not and did not operate 24/7.

Irving points out: "it takes 30 kilograms of coke to incinerate one body -- it would take many trainloads of coke to incinerate 120,000 corpses. "Aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz do not show huge piles of coke." The same photos -- contrary to malicious, lying "witnesses" and tortured confessors -- show no evidence of smoke and flame belching from malfunctioning crematoria chimneys or huge aerodynamically inefficient smouldering cremation pits, where sizzling human fat was "scooped up in buckets." NOVA mythologists -- defying laws of thermodynamics -- declare only 3.5 kg of coke is necessary to cremate one corpse. (Lard, i.e., human fat = 8.4 kilo-calories/kg; coke has 3000 kcal/kg.)

Lie #3: Mythologists allege stupid, suicidal Nazis crudely dumped dangerous cyanide louse disinfestant (Zyklon B) through holes in the roof of the gas chambers. (If the Nazis were going to use Zyklon, they would have opened the cyanide canisters in a heated, easy to clean cabinet attached to a blower designed for a Zyklon clothing disinfestation chamber. At Auschwitz, during typhus epidemics, 300 people died per day.) Irving points out there is no evidence of holes in the concrete roof of the alleged gas chambers. No holes, no Holocaust.

For more information on the forensics of the Holocaust (practicality or possibility of using louse disinfestant and diesel exhaust, which contains inert quantities of carbon monoxide), logistics (cremation capacity) and demographics (approximately one million Jews were killed fighting the Nazis in the Soviet Union, in pogroms in Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic States, died in Siberian labor camps or of typhus, or are statistically unaccounted for) go to www.vho.org.

 

[hyperborea13]

Well, although i feel bad doing it, I'm gonna continue with this off-topic tangent, because I'm curious about your viewpoint.

So you think that there was no systematic killing of Jews during the Third Reich? Have your read Mein Kampf? Are you aware that although Jews were the target of most of Hitler's hatred, he also wanted to eliminate Noma (Gypsies), the handicapped, black people, and others? I know you don't like Jews, but what about these other minorities? You don't believe in money, then you believe in full socialism? Or something else? Are you aware that the original Zionists as well as the kibbutzim today do not use money at all, or they don't count because they are Jewish?

 

[nicnicnic]

Ok, Ms. 666, I read the NOVA transcript.

The trial and transcript are concluded with the following statement from the judge:

Irving has, for his own ideological reasons, persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence. For the same reasons, he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favorable light, principally in his relation towards and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews. He is an active Holocaust denier. He is anti-Semitic and racist and he associates with right wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism.

So: What exactly from the Anti-defamation League biography of Irving do you consider to be slanderous?

(As for these posts veering off topic if a mod wants to they may move my and 666's discussion to a new thread. I have no intention of giving her the last word on this subject.)

 

[zorn]

Not this discussion again...

Actually, I'm kinda flattered by his site. We rule the media, the world, and all the power elites. w00t, go Jews

Reminds me of the old joke... It's Berlin, in the 1930's. Two old Jews are sitting on a park bench, reading newspapers. The first one is reading a local Jewish paper. The other is reading Der Stuermer, the viciously anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda outlet. Shocked, the first guy turns to the second and asks him, "What are you doing? Why are you reading that filth?"

The second guy responds, "Our papers are always so depressing -- they are full of stories about persecution, injustice, our dire situation. But this paper is full of good news! It says we control the banks, the media, and run the whole country -- it cheers me up!"