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Harm Reduction Mixing benzos and heroin daily, will I eventually die?

menidiatis

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So I take 10mg temazepam every night and smoke heroin through out the day, today I might have smoked about 2 grams of heroin after having taken 10 mg temazepam at 9am (I ve been using heroin and benzos daily about 6 months now)

I don't feel nodding or as if I have overdosed (I have overdosed twice to near death from noids so I know how an OD feels) but I feel very sleepy. I can stay awake but I also really crave some sleep (I almost didn't sleep at all 2 last days)

Am I eventually going to die in my sleep from chronic buildup of the substances, or if I was in danger of OD I would actually feel it? If my only problem is that I feel very sleepy but I have no other symptom of overdose, am I then safe?
 

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This is a rather dark turn for a hypothetical, but not outside our realm of bullshit, so... put on your top hats kids, we're going to the circus.

You've basically touched upon the paradox of overdose. The answer is, sort of an obvious one. If people knew they were going to overdose, they would generally help themselves or call the authorities. We know that this is virtually never the case. When people do have the constitution to report themselves medically to the authorities, they're likely not in danger of actually dying. You just don't have one without the other.

What you're referring to seems to involve a certain element of regiment. You are a daily Heroin user, got that. You've been dabbling in the world of short-acting, powerful Benzodiazepines as well, both for a period of about 6 months. This is, pretty much by definiton a "fuck you up" combination. Again, it's not as if you're going hardcore with either of these. It's still more of a dalliance. The big problem with Opioids is that the "therapeutic" and for that matter, "recreational" dosages are not far off from the lethal dosage. This is what's termed a drug or drug's therapeutic index. How safe is it and how likely is someone to "accidentally" kill themselves with it.

Benzodiazepines, on their own, as a single depressant agent, are well-known for an uncommonly large therapeutic index. In short, you can fuck yourself into a coma with Benzodiazepines, sure, but the dosage required to actually put a human down is literally, exponentially larger than most recreational dosages.

Any benefit in regad to the advantageous therapeutic index of Benzodiazepines is negated when they're combined with other Central Nervous System depressants, like Alcohol, Babiturates or in your case, Opioids.

Generally all that is felt is a sensation of being tired, if anything is felt at all, prior to dying. Once again, you're not experimenting with crazy dosages here. I don't think it's likely you're going to kill yourself with these dosages, but that is the sad reality of overdose with these chemicals.
 

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i used to mix benzos, heroin, and alcohol on a daily basis. my boyf at the time used to stay up cos he wouldn't be able to wake me up and i was barely breathing. ditto my poor mum.

i'd really suggest if there is no one to watch you then don't go to sleep until the substances have had some time to wear off.

you might go to sleep and wake up. you might not.

if you keep going like this eventually you'll start waking up and wondering how the fuck you're still alive cos you were sure you were dying before you went under. and then doing the exact same thing again. please get help before you get to that point.
 

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Guys please help me, I really need to use the benzos because I have severe panic attacks, at least in the night to sleep, I cannot sleep if I don't use the benzos. Is it not a small dosage to use 10mg of temazepam?

What if I reduce my heroin usage to no more than 1g a day, and I restric to using only the earlier half of the day? Would I then be safe?

Guys please help me, I am really scared, I don't even know if I should go to sleep...
 

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What is a dosing schedule that I can use in order to be safe? If you guys want, please read my other thread on quitting heroin also. Is there any hope for me at this point after 6 months of usage or have I really fucked myself up at this point?

How long should I wait before I go to sleep?
 

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When you're mixing heroin and benzos on a daily basis then probably not.


Unfortunately, this is one of those questions that can't be answered as there are too many variables involved.
What other variables are involved? I can give all the information. I hadn't realized how dangerous this is. If it is so bad then I'll really do anything to quit the heroin. I need the benzos in order to deal with my panic attacks.

If my pupils return to normal am I safe then?
 

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To be honest mate, I think you should be ok. You're smoking the heroin which lessens the chance of overdose significantly in my opinion.


If I were you, I'd have a strong coffee then when you do decide to crash out, put yourself in the recovery position first.
 

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To be honest mate, I think you should be ok. You're smoking the heroin which lessens the chance of overdose significantly in my opinion.


If I were you, I'd have a strong coffee then when you do decide to crash out, put yourself in the recovery position first.
I ve drank 4 red bulls and still feel sleepy

But I don't feel like OD, when I OD on noids and one time that I nearly fell unconscious from a strong H toke back when I had no tolerance, it felt different, I felt as if I am losing control and consciousness

While now I just feel tired and sleepy

I am paranoid and scared as fuck right now
 

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I think four Red Bulls could be a contributory factor in this. Caffeine can make you as edgy as fuck.


Does your breathing feel laboured?
No, but then again I never understood what that means it has never happened

Sometimes (not today) what happens is that I get distracted thinking and I have a sudden shock where I realize that I was not breathing for some time, but even then it does not feel laboured
 

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No, but then again I never understood what that means it has never happened

Sometimes (not today) what happens is that I get distracted thinking and I have a sudden shock where I realize that I was not breathing for some time, but even then it does not feel laboured
I also didn't sleep almost at all 2 days now, 2 nights ago because of clogged nose and yesterday because I was high on H and thus did not take temazepam until late in the morning

Maybe I am just very sleepy because of this lack of sleep? My pupils are still rather constricted though. It must be about 3 hours now since my last H toke. I took 10mg temazepam at 9am in the morning
 

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I also didn't sleep almost at all 2 days now, 2 nights ago because of clogged nose and yesterday because I was high on H and thus did not take temazepam until late in the morning

Maybe I am just very sleepy because of this lack of sleep? My pupils are still rather constricted though. It must be about 3 hours now since my last H toke. I took 10mg temazepam at 9am in the morning

You should be fine. You're doing this daily so will have a tolerance and your doses aren't excessive. I used to push the envelope much more than this and only OD'd once - but that was through IV use.


However, I must add that if you are seriously worried then you should consider getting medical advice.
 

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You should be fine. You're doing this daily so will have a tolerance and your doses aren't excessive. I used to push the envelope much more than this and only OD'd once - but that was through IV use.


However, I must add that if you are seriously worried then you should consider getting medical advice.
Thank you so much for bothering to sit and comfort me, I really really appreciate, I feel so much better

I don't really know where to go for medical advice. I am trying to quit heroin right now that's all I can do
 

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I strongly suggest you quit the heroin. If it's only been 6 months it won't be too bad. One of my oldest friends died litrally this morning.
I have a hole in my groin because of the stuff.

You will end up dead one way or another if you keep doin smack, simple as mate
 

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So I take 10mg temazepam every night and smoke heroin through out the day, today I might have smoked about 2 grams of heroin after having taken 10 mg temazepam at 9am (I ve been using heroin and benzos daily about 6 months now)

I don't feel nodding or as if I have overdosed (I have overdosed twice to near death from noids so I know how an OD feels) but I feel very sleepy. I can stay awake but I also really crave some sleep (I almost didn't sleep at all 2 last days)

Am I eventually going to die in my sleep from chronic buildup of the substances, or if I was in danger of OD I would actually feel it? If my only problem is that I feel very sleepy but I have no other symptom of overdose, am I then safe?
Are you able to use with a friend? Can you think of someone to watch you with Narcan nearby?

Too bad the difference between the best high and an OD are almost inseparable.
 
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