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[TheUltimateFixx]

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Seems like a pretty good HR service, like Wedinos.

Yeah they're excellent, and they've introduced some injection equipment that wasn't available before.

Maybe a mod could pin a link to the site at the top of the forum?

I agree!

 

[Forever Changes]

I wouldn't recommend but occassionaly i'll just gobble 16 Nurofen plus. I.m bad and see is a hassle

That much Ibuprofen could fuck your GI tract. Ulcers and so on

Just use pure codeine/DHC. Not too hard to find on clearnets (+ Wedinos testing)

 

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

Speak of Codeine ...one of the most common Opiates I can´t recall having ever touched. The other day was out drinking and hitting the pipe and ended up at a mates´s house. We were discussing my Bupre taper and how frustrated I was being stuck on a little crumb. In the meanwhile this dude hands me over these pills which at 1st seemed like 1G Paracetamol ...upon closer inspection I noticed that they do contain 60 mgs of Codeine each (which ,btw ,I had never seen before here ). Planning on doing a CWE since I have a good few and try to take that when I start feeling sick from the absence of Buprenorphine in my system. Problem in here is that I´ve tried other opiates ,and for a week (give or take ) after taking the last piece of Bupre I simply couldn´t feel anything off of any Opiate (for example , Heroin ). So I´m wondering whether Codeine will, at least , prevent my withdrawals once they arrive (usually at night time -total inability to sleep, to remain peacefully in bed ...you guys know the score anyways ...).
Don´t get me wrong, taking Heroin as a Bupre substitute (ironic, I know ) would prevent me from withdrawing -I simply didn´t feel it as I used to ...some sort of dysphoria which lasted for at least a week. Once I run out of Heroin ,like a twat ,went back on bupre and I wasn´t even withdrawing any longer, just feeling rather sketchy ...any insights into how Codeine can be effective in this scenario would be much appreciated. "Dol -U -Ron " is the brand name of these tablets btw (1 G Paracetamol +60 mgs Codeine).

 

[meeer]

Speak of Codeine ...one of the most common Opiates I can´t recall having ever touched. The other day was out drinking and hitting the pipe and ended up at a mates´s house. We were discussing my Bupre taper and how frustrated I was being stuck on a little crumb. In the meanwhile this dude hands me over these pills which at 1st seemed like 1G Paracetamol ...upon closer inspection I noticed that they do contain 60 mgs of Codeine each (which ,btw ,I had never seen before here ). Planning on doing a CWE since I have a good few and try to take that when I start feeling sick from the absence of Buprenorphine in my system. Problem in here is that I´ve tried other opiates ,and for a week (give or take ) after taking the last piece of Bupre I simply couldn´t feel anything off of any Opiate (for example , Heroin ). So I´m wondering whether Codeine will, at least , prevent my withdrawals once they arrive (usually at night time -total inability to sleep, to remain peacefully in bed ...you guys know the score anyways ...).
Don´t get me wrong, taking Heroin as a Bupre substitute (ironic, I know ) would prevent me from withdrawing -I simply didn´t feel it as I used to ...some sort of dysphoria which lasted for at least a week. Once I run out of Heroin ,like a twat ,went back on bupre and I wasn´t even withdrawing any longer, just feeling rather sketchy ...any insights into how Codeine can be effective in this scenario would be much appreciated. "Dol -U -Ron " is the brand name of these tablets btw (1 G Paracetamol +60 mgs Codeine).

The roof limit of codeine is around 4-600mg so granted you needed to only take a few tablets a day you might not even need to perform a CWE if its a short period of time but otherwise depending on the dosage your coming off it is very weak comparably to heroin and especially Bupe on the receptors. Also a added note about 15% of the population can't make the codeine into morphine in their systems essentially making it usless and passes through you inactivated. There is also a chance you convert it at a higher rate and this works for you far better. Not a heroin user and have only had fentanyl in medical settings, but I usto slam 80-120+mg of oxy and even some benzos on top at a time with a load of weed, personally codeine has always been a favourite lower strength subtle opiate for me. Id take it any day over say tramadol however that being said depending on how long you've been on Bupe could mean it takes far longer than you may expect to leave your receptors and despite maybe not getting you anywhere near high it prevents the receptors from defaulting and returning to normal regulation making it far harder to notice an affect. If ineffective and you really need help with withdrawals or even mild irritation, insomnia caused from it, poppy seed tea can really be a underestimated help, containing morphine and codeine and its really not expensive or hard to perform but long term the taste might really get to ya. *Hold ya nose and skull then chase*

 

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

The roof limit of codeine is around 4-600mg so granted you needed to only take a few tablets a day you might not even need to perform a CWE if its a short period of time but otherwise depending on the dosage your coming off it is very weak comparably to heroin and especially Bupe on the receptors. Also a added note about 15% of the population can't make the codeine into morphine in their systems essentially making it usless and passes through you inactivated. There is also a chance you convert it at a higher rate and this works for you far better. Not a heroin user and have only had fentanyl in medical settings, but I usto slam 80-120+mg of oxy and even some benzos on top at a time with a load of weed, personally codeine has always been a favourite lower strength subtle opiate for me. Id take it any day over say tramadol however that being said depending on how long you've been on Bupe could mean it takes far longer than you may expect to leave your receptors and despite maybe not getting you anywhere near high it prevents the receptors from defaulting and returning to normal regulation making it far harder to notice an affect. If ineffective and you really need help with withdrawals or even mild irritation, insomnia caused from it, poppy seed tea can really be a underestimated help, containing morphine and codeine and its really not expensive or hard to perform but long term the taste might really get to ya. *Hold ya nose and skull then chase*

Even at this stage I´m impressed at how potent Buprenorphine is ...one week of at least 1/2 a gram of what I could easily tell was half decent gear ,latter which barely kept me from withdrawing even though I could tell that had I carried on it would eventually do what it´s expected from it. Many of us underestimate just how potent Buprenorphine can be ,specially when taken long term which in my case means almost a decade with a few relapses in between ...solid and tapering for the last 5 years though ...I´ve finally reached a point where I do not wish to live with any Opiate/opioid drug in my life ...cause this will eventually turn against you, or at least that is how feel these days. Like I´m reaping no benefits from it. None whatsoever.
Anyways ,thanks a lot for the Poppy pod tea tip and clarifying how I should approach/ what to expect from the Codeine .PPT is something which I´ve never attempted either. When you´re on Heroin you know how it goes. It´s almost always Bupre/Methadone or cold turkey ...latter not being an option for me tese days (unless sent to some "Gulag " or sth ). Liver´s a bit dodgy so I´ll try to do a CWE ,try 60mgs and see where that gets me. It is weird how all these different drugs affect people ...you mention Tramadol, yeah? That is a drug which NEVER did anything for me by its own ...and I mean nothing. I do not know what a Tram is supposed to feel like at any dose ...funny thing is ...when I combine it with a tiny amount of Bupre (believe it or not that is the only way I feel the closest to having taken a full agonist opiate these days -tolerance soars in days though ...after a few days I find myself popping some 400mgs to reach a similar effect I did with 2x50mgs instant release capsules +0.5mgs Bupre on that 1st day with no tolerance. So , yeah , I´m pretty curious to see what Codeine will do ...Tapentadol is another drug I´ve read about in here which has left me pretty curious as to the effect it might have on a Bupre cluck.
Again, thanks for the attention ...stay safe !

 

[meeer]

Even at this stage I´m impressed at how potent Buprenorphine is ...one week of at least 1/2 a gram of what I could easily tell was half decent gear ,latter which barely kept me from withdrawing even though I could tell that had I carried on it would eventually do what it´s expected from it. Many of us underestimate just how potent Buprenorphine can be ,specially when taken long term which in my case means almost a decade with a few relapses in between ...solid and tapering for the last 5 years though ...I´ve finally reached a point where I do not wish to live with any Opiate/opioid drug in my life ...cause this will eventually turn against you, or at least that is how feel these days. Like I´m reaping no benefits from it. None whatsoever.
Anyways ,thanks a lot for the Poppy pod tea tip and clarifying how I should approach/ what to expect from the Codeine .PPT is something which I´ve never attempted either. When you´re on Heroin you know how it goes. It´s almost always Bupre/Methadone or cold turkey ...latter not being an option for me tese days (unless sent to some "Gulag " or sth ). Liver´s a bit dodgy so I´ll try to do a CWE ,try 60mgs and see where that gets me. It is weird how all these different drugs affect people ...you mention Tramadol, yeah? That is a drug which NEVER did anything for me by its own ...and I mean nothing. I do not know what a Tram is supposed to feel like at any dose ...funny thing is ...when I combine it with a tiny amount of Bupre (believe it or not that is the only way I feel the closest to having taken a full agonist opiate these days -tolerance soars in days though ...after a few days I find myself popping some 400mgs to reach a similar effect I did with 2x50mgs instant release capsules +0.5mgs Bupre on that 1st day with no tolerance. So , yeah , I´m pretty curious to see what Codeine will do ...Tapentadol is another drug I´ve read about in here which has left me pretty curious as to the effect it might have on a Bupre cluck.
Again, thanks for the attention ...stay safe !

Yeah aye if you have access to the pods them selves or the latex and not just the seeds that's a far more reliable and better source but do just be careful as some people have taken to much as its very hard to dose yourself or know each plants potency or jumping in too deep to quick but just be careful.

I personally also don't feel shit from tramadol and have it on my medical file as a allergenic substance/adverse reaction. When in reality I refuse to put it in my body and opt for Tapentadol if I must that shit is again very different per person and the quick releases did fuck all when the slow releases did far more even if broken open, although the first pass is quite high on Tapentadol might be why the SRs work a tad better. Getting to the intestines and all passing stomach acid before too much is metabolised by the first pass.

As for using the tramadol on top of the Bupe its affecting receptors classic opioids do not as does Tapentadol, I feel however Tapentadol is far cleaner personally and a much better experience on any dosage. Going above 400-600mg iv noticed in multiple people when not us to it may make you a bit sick though so be careful with that.

as for the 60mg I do hope that's enough hell maybe even less would be great, but realistically there is a good chance as it is weaker than tramadol pharmacologically, there is a good chance your dosage may need to exceed 1 tablet worth, also not and remember for CWE there is a loss of the total codeine extraction even in the best conditions.

 

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

That is some excellent information there. having read that pretty much covers my options (on the "weaker " Opiate/oid spectrum at least ) once I finally decide to jump off the Bupre I´m still on. Tapentadol sounds better and better by the day. Contrary to Tramadol and since I clearly have no idea what to expect from Tapenta I´ll try getting it prescribed (which shouldn´t be very difficult ) and use it as a more manageable substitute. Another good excuse to delay the inevitable too btw lol -as in ,tapering down to "Zero ".
As I am typing this my levels of frustration at this whole situation are incredible - the full realization I´ve learned nothing from past detoxes ...the same irrational Fear of change is still pretty much here ...
Anyways ...was about to go on a bit of a tangent there ...thanks a lot for having helped me organize my thoughts on how to approach this. Now it´s all between me and this tiny piece of some Pharm ...

 

[meeer]

Nah your good, iv heard a few doctors and anaesthesiologists and pain specialists say Tapentadol is a better and newer version essentially of tramadol not 1 to 1 but close. As well as iv heard doctors say Tapentadol potential for abuse is lower than classical opioids. I in fact know someone who is prescribed it due to their past having abused opiates.

For a little more useful information. As far as the medical system is concerned with a slight variable up and down depending on individual circumstance and all, heroin or diacetylmorphine is 2x the strength of morphine where as oxy is 1.5x the strength of morphine, your buprenorphine is 40x the strength of morphine at least for receptor affinity. Codeine is roughly 0.11-0.15 to even 0.25 the strength of morphine, as its kind of contended between countries health systems more so than any other opiate IMO. Should you be able to get Dihydrocodeine that's roughly double the strength of codeine and can be known to be more euphoric to some so be mindful there.

Tapentadol on the other hand is usually said to be 0.4 the strength of morphine roughly double the strength of Tramadol, however I have seen sources say 0.3 and I would say its up for debate and down to personal factors, as I do believe it has a far higher first pass metabolism rate than many other opioids out there causing it to really miss a lot of absorption, hence SR, ER, MR formulations seem to get it past the stomach acid and release more past the point where most will be metabolised straight up.

Best of luck with your journey my brother, always here and messages always open if need be. Might take some time to respond at times.

 

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

Nah your good, iv heard a few doctors and anaesthesiologists and pain specialists say Tapentadol is a better and newer version essentially of tramadol not 1 to 1 but close. As well as iv heard doctors say Tapentadol potential for abuse is lower than classical opioids. I in fact know someone who is prescribed it due to their past having abused opiates.

For a little more useful information. As far as the medical system is concerned with a slight variable up and down depending on individual circumstance and all, heroin or diacetylmorphine is 2x the strength of morphine where as oxy is 1.5x the strength of morphine, your buprenorphine is 40x the strength of morphine at least for receptor affinity. Codeine is roughly 0.11-0.15 to even 0.25 the strength of morphine, as its kind of contended between countries health systems more so than any other opiate IMO. Should you be able to get Dihydrocodeine that's roughly double the strength of codeine and can be known to be more euphoric to some so be mindful there.

Tapentadol on the other hand is usually said to be 0.4 the strength of morphine roughly double the strength of Tramadol, however I have seen sources say 0.3 and I would say its up for debate and down to personal factors, as I do believe it has a far higher first pass metabolism rate than many other opioids out there causing it to really miss a lot of absorption, hence SR, ER, MR formulations seem to get it past the stomach acid and release more past the point where most will be metabolised straight up.

Best of luck with your journey my brother, always here and messages always open if need be. Might take some time to respond at times.

"40x the strength of Morphine at receptor affinity "...no wonder the frustration at having half decent dope in front of me and after a week the best effect I took off of it (smoked . I used to IV it in the past and can still recall how ROA can be highly influential at overriding the Bupre which has always intrigued me. ) was making bupre withdrawals tolerable (not to mention the act of chasing it on foil and all that entails ).
For people who doubt or somehow disparage such equivalences you mention all I can say is that ,without little to no knowledge of such numbers ,it matches my personal experiences with those substances to a T . I just assumed that Dihydrocodeine was much stronger since when I was living/working in the UK I remember some of my mates having been arrested for possession . Upon release they told me that during those 1st couple of days ,before court and a GP assessing you , all they would give you were these pills containing 50mgs of Dihydro (I think it was ) ,they were named "DF(s)" (some people in here from the UK can confirm this I suppose ). And yes, some of them with major IV Speedball habits and they said those provided enough release to at least be able to rest at night, feel vaguely comfortable even. (Obviously ) Circumstance of being in a place where you know for a fact there is no way you´re scoring any intoxicant is already 1/2 withdrawal out the window. In such circumstances is when you realize just how much the psychological component of addiction weighs.
Anyways ...already rambling again ...thanks for caring and do not worry about the "time to respond ". What you have done has already been extremely helpful ...even at just having someone to talk to who "gets it " , you know ? My friends are either in active addiction or couldn´t care less about this type of thing .Speaks volumes about what you´ve just done here .Much appreciated. Best of luck to you too !

 

[meeer]

"40x the strength of Morphine at receptor affinity "...no wonder the frustration at having half decent dope in front of me and after a week the best effect I took off of it (smoked . I used to IV it in the past and can still recall how ROA can be highly influential at overriding the Bupre which has always intrigued me. ) was making bupre withdrawals tolerable (not to mention the act of chasing it on foil and all that entails ).
For people who doubt or somehow disparage such equivalences you mention all I can say is that ,without little to no knowledge of such numbers ,it matches my personal experiences with those substances to a T . I just assumed that Dihydrocodeine was much stronger since when I was living/working in the UK I remember some of my mates having been arrested for possession . Upon release they told me that during those 1st couple of days ,before court and a GP assessing you , all they would give you were these pills containing 50mgs of Dihydro (I think it was ) ,they were named "DF(s)" (some people in here from the UK can confirm this I suppose ). And yes, some of them with major IV Speedball habits and they said those provided enough release to at least be able to rest at night, feel vaguely comfortable even. (Obviously ) Circumstance of being in a place where you know for a fact there is no way you´re scoring any intoxicant is already 1/2 withdrawal out the window. In such circumstances is when you realize just how much the psychological component of addiction weighs.
Anyways ...already rambling again ...thanks for caring and do not worry about the "time to respond ". What you have done has already been extremely helpful ...even at just having someone to talk to who "gets it " , you know ? My friends are either in active addiction or couldn´t care less about this type of thing .Speaks volumes about what you´ve just done here .Much appreciated. Best of luck to you too !

Haha aye its pretty insanely strong, it personally to me feels like it has no legs but there where times when dosages as low as 600mcg had me nod once or twice. Otherwise as far as DHC goes that'd sound about right I'm not certain but believe it has FAR more metabolites and the ability to turn into oxymorphone or hydromorphone in your system at pharmacologically insignificant amounts but when taken to get high I believe this could possibly play a very large roll in its ability provide relief or a high even.

Sorry to hear about your friends I have certainly been no stranger to the situation, hopefully they come around before something to serious happens to make or break their habit. I appreciate it but I'm always just glad to help and educate where I can.