This is why I worry for people who think they know what the micage on their doses is. With a lot of commercial doses, at least when I was in the game, it might not really be a big thing to take four or five (inasmuch as taking serious drugs can be "not really a big thing.") This cannot really be said for a 400-500mcg dose.
Quite a few women went totally batshit insane travelling with ken kesely on further after to much acid.
Too much acid was probably the least of their problems. The fate of too many women in general in our little subculture is a shame to the "movement." Not only are they too often viewed as merely ornamental (not that some of them don't try to live up to this) but outright sexual abuse happen way too often to be dismissed as part of the background noise of the less savory parts of human nature. We have a serious problem with this.
There comes a point where we must eventually end our psychedelic journeys when the negative effects of the drug outweigh the positives. Owesly always wondered how far can you push these things. While nick sands could probably handle 1000 + dmt trips and how many acid trips he had most people burn out within 60-100 trips or even less.
Unfortunately I can't find it due to xenForo destroying the continuity of search results, but I made a bit of a thread, it would have to have been ca. 2007-2008, on a related question: why does the LSD experience, as you become more experienced with, and especially if you are doing it more frequently, become less "classically" defined. Clearly because of receptor abuse, and the more vigorous advocates of psychedelics will say that they don't really abuse receptors in the same breath that they talk about neuroplasticity, more of which is not always a good thing. But this is only the physiological side of things. Whether we as consciousnesses inhabiting brains are built for taking a drug like LSD is debatable, but whether we are built to do it regularly is almost certainly to be answered in the negative.
As for plain DMT, you could probably take it on a very regular basis and come out relatively unscathed. Pharmacologically this makes sense as it is far less promiscuous, not to mention short-lived, in it's effects, and psychologically too: DMT, at least for me, very rarely strays into either the disturbingly introspective or the manically grandiose, both directions in which LSD often does.
Sand was an absolute madman, though. He got busted rather too many times for my tastes, though, and I have a sneaking suspicion he was a cooperator, if not with the straight-up drug enforcement arm of the government, with the more esoteric parts. The CIA, after all, were big fans of acid and of strange countercultural fuckery (the Grateful Dead not excepted) in general.
The thing about 5meo dmt its a normal reaction for your body to go insane and scream or do whatever everybody reacts differently some people with no previous psychedelics handle it well while heavy psychonauts have very wild reactions. Some people just lie their quietly some people throw up which is why a sitter is good idea so you dont choke on your own vomit incase it happens.
I have never seen one of these 5-MeO-DMT horror trips, nor "body load" from it, although I'm given to understand that it happens and it's not entirely shocking due to what happens with other things done with that particular substitution. It would certainly suck to have any body load at all when that far out. I would say that body load, an entirely physiological and substance-dependent variable, even more than "set and setting," has been a factor in most of my negative psychedelic experiences.
5 meo DMT is the most powerful of all the psychedelics and i stress its not for everyone the czech therapists have come with good criteria to assess people to take it or not.
But there are certainly "two kinds of people" as far as 5-MeO-DMT goes. And you are right that we have not come up with a good set of harm-reducing practices. I am not sure that it would be a particularly useful therapeutic substance (and I think DMT would be useful not at all, very limited research about schizophrenia notwithstanding.)
Obiter dictum: Lest we forget, not everyone excretes DMT in their urine, but
schizophrenics do so eight times more often than normal people. Even though there was some fringey research a while ago about DMT helping them.
And even then i know schizophrenic's who take LSD And it makes them fucking normal
I have heard this from enough people to suggest that, in sufficiently rare cases, there is something to it. It would have to do with the aforementioned promiscuity of LSD at pretty much every receptor, i.e. be like "hitting a reset button" (which is something like what ECT is thought to do and is actually the language we used to use describing it to patients.) The only thing is that in the other schizophrenics, the
majority of schizophrenics, LSD is up there among the worst things they can do, so there's essentially no way that anyone can responsibly suggest they take LSD, or any psychedelic. Marijuana, too, is right out if you are going by statistics on what tends to help or hurt, although it is more of a tradeoff: it can be helpful with "negative symptoms" (e.g. apathy) at the expense of exacerbating "positive" ones (e.g. delusions) and I haven't seen any research on this but I suspect, and have been told by patients, that it is helpful with medication side effects, too (parenthetically, so is cocaine, which shares the tropane backbone with the non-psychoactive Cogentin, one of the most common drugs to treat them.)
and then "normal people" who became fucking insane after one psychedelic bender over a month.
To me the more interesting question might be why some "normal people"
don't become fucking insane after one psychedelic bender. I'm strictly spitballing here, but I feel like people who are absolute normies are going to have a bad time while people with big time mental health issues are as well but only people are somewhere in the middle are going to tolerate it.
i known at least 3 girls i went to school with who i heard ended up going crazy after doing shrooms and to the ER room. All with no background but one common thing i belive they were experienced childhood sexual abuse. Traumatic things like as a child rise the risk imo of psychosis on psychedelics due to the brains psychological defense mechanisms to try run away and not process that trauma leading to a break from the sane mind escaping into a psychotic delusion. But thats my own hypothesis.
Trauma is an extremely interesting angle on this subject. I mentioned above that the relatively non-introspective and short-acting nature of DMT makes it less susceptible to introspective freakouts, and LSD the opposite. This is the kind of thing that might exacerbate trauma. Then again, people sometimes feel that psychedelics have been helpful with trauma issues (empathogens are another subject, and the only subject about which good research has been done on the subject of trauma, what I'm referring to here is anecdote.) Trauma is certainly something that should give one pause before taking psychedelics or turning someone on to psychedelics. However, and again I have no evidence for this beyond anecdote, I think if you did a good survey of the psychedelic community, I think you'd find a vastly
increased rate of trauma among the females and probably to a lesser extent among the males too.
Once more we're at the subject of why some people and why not others. Whether it has to do with psychiatric constitution or what, not to mention how to measure something like that, I don't know.
This a cool report about 5 meo dmt
18 minute video lolno
For myself i might only take one more big acid trip then stay microdosing. Nothing beats the joy of guiding somebody new to tripping to have a memorable life experience.
good luck with that
I regret it for the sole purpose that I ruined it and I can never enjoy another romantic or therapeutic roll -
Yeah, "losing the magic" with any drug is a shame, but I'm not even sure MDMA is as unique as people make it out to be in that regard, only that it's effects are so particular that missing out on them is more striking. I think a significant amount of "lost magic" is up to the quality of the drugs, though. Perhaps only the small amount of adulerated MDMA that is in most commercial rolls, for instance, is enough to give the average less- or unexperienced person a solid experience but later on they'll need the proper stuff. Who knows. There is a huge thread about this elsewhere, and then elsewhere from that people are having essentially the same discussion, albeit a less-refined one, on the subject of MA.
especially now with ptsd, when im now immune to the only cure.
I don't know that you can say that with any certainty. We don't know enough about how MDMA-facilitated psychotherapy works in
pharmacological terms (rather than in relational and experiential ones.) On that subject generally, we need more studies relating to drug-facilitated therapy with control groups of people who take the drug but don't get therapy or get "sham therapy" of merely a supportive discussion rather than a therapeutic process. But who knows? MDMA might work for you. But it also might not. Especially because calling it a "cure", let alone "the only cure" is crossing the boundary of mere optimism into delusion. That serves no one.
Generally I do appreciate certain psychedelics more the more I do 'em, so it doesn't really resonate with me.
Rather a different phenomenon than I discussed at the outset of this post! But also something that I found to be true to a degree, in the sense that one becomes a little more experienced in "navigating" (or even "using") the psychedelic mindset. This is a double-edged sword, though: the artless naïveté with which one approaches the first psychedelic experience (or even the first one with a given drug) lends itself to a particular sot of (perceived) profundity,
I learned the difference between 500 ug LSD mediated by anti-psychotics and 500 ug totally unmediated the hard way 48 hours ago.
I was previously tripping through my Abilify dose with quite a lot of fun at 500 ug but i let it run out and stopped taking seroquel for sleep
Those are some pretty antiserotoninergic neuroleptics, too. They would dampen LSD to a significant degree. If you stopped them recently you might even have the added benefit of a bit of rebound. 500mcg. Fuck.
Oh yeah I was going to ponder this phenomenon of impairment, functionality, mobility, reasoning, speech, acting and behaving etc, on super high dose trips.
This is is the exact area where I have always been unordinary. Like, 1000 ug doesn’t impair me at all really. After an initial 3/4 unconscious short interstellar comeup, or a couple hours sometimes, I’m as right as reign and capable.
This is certainly interesting. I have experienced this clarity and transparency on higher doses of LSD, too, but it has not always been my experience. I have been near-catatonic on some occasions too, and in fact that's probably the much more common reaction both in myself and people that I've observed. All of these dynamics regarding LSD dosing are very interesting but it is definitely a drug with distinct pharmacological "plateaus," occurring at something like 100, 250, 500, and then particularly at 1.4mg. There is no reason to take more than 1.4mg, nothing good happens, and I mean that in a specifically-defined pharmacological sense.
It's just slang for MDA, almost nobody calls it MDA or even necessarily knows that's what it is, it's just "sass". It's pretty common in the festival scene, at least on the east coast. Outside of that, I have never seen it.
It's fucking retarded. "Sass" is often used generally to refer to MDA
or MDMA with that specific appearance. And then there are the stupid fucking hippies who think it's made of sassafras and therefore organic and vegan or whatever.
(you too Buzz Lightbeer, but I doubt I’ll be plugging anything)
Yeah, plugging is fucking disgusting. I'm pretty sure it began as a sexual practice in "chemsex" circles and then for pretty dubious reasons became popular on Bluelight. There's particularly no need to do it in the situation you describe, if you insist on not dosing orally, with something like 2C-P you could achieve roughly the same results than rectal administration with a very slightly lower dose given intramuscularly. Injecting whatever contaminants the Chinaman left in there is not ideal but with a wheel filter you're probably right as rain if you don't do it too often. And it avoids the ass play. I don't really understand why people would put themselves through the process of plugging in
any case, though. I'm unconvinced that it reduces GI load for most substances, too.
I'm not sure if I'd have liked 2C-P, 2C-E was markedly uncomfortable for me. But I loved 2C-M (2C-D). I wonder if the longer the chain the more unpleasant the effects I experienced or if it's not that simple.
I think people tend to dose the 2C-x drugs a bit too high, I think they're suited better for the softer end of the dosing curve. In my opinion the sharper tryptamines and lysergamides are more suited for the higher intensities. But this is strictly IMHO, I definitely could be biased by my own limited experiences in this regard.
The problem is that they have really unpredictable dosing ranges across different people, not to mention different times of onset and stuff like that (I've seen people not even start tripping until their friends are coming down while on 2CB, and people having to take like 5x the dose of their friends.)