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Misc Psychoactive Animals (Producers and Consumers)

Cwest

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Hey all this is my modest attempt at cataloging the variety of animal species that produce (or consume and store) psychoactive chemicals in nature. I will attempt to go over their scientific names, common names, chemicals they contain, and if possible traditional and contemporary use... I will try to only include species with strong evidence (as there are many rumours of active species) but please feel free to list species you have heard of. I am also going to try and keep this post organised and easy to read, and will update it with additional species if you guys have suggestions. I will start with the producers, then list the consumers and finish with species that may be psychoactive.



PRODUCERS
Producers are the animal species that produce psychoactive chemicals, usually converting precursors they consume. As long as the chemical they produce is a different molecule from the ones they consume, they can be considered producers.



SPONGES

Smenospongia auria
This species of sponge (as well as echina) has 5-Br-DMT and 5,6-DiBr-DMT present in its cells, likely as a deterrent to parasites. It is believed that other species of sponges from more than one genus have other brominated tryptamines in them as well. Very few people have sampled these compounds, but they have reported them as active at the 20mg level.


INSECTS

Pogonomyrmex species
Species of red harvester ants from this genus have been used in California by at least 15 different tribes for hallucinogenic purposes. Some tribes would allow themselves to be stung repeatedly for the purpose of seeing complex hallucinations and visions while other tribes would kill and eat the ants to impart longer periods of a dream like catatonic state for divination. The venom effects the CNS producing highly altered metabolic states where hallucinations can occur. At lower doses the hallucinations are similar to LSD but in higher doses they can be closer to tropane alkaloid intoxication, in which the person has realistic hallucinations to the point they can not tell what is real and what is in their mind. The cause of the hallucinations is thought to be opioid peptides and various kinnins. Some of the hallucinations may be caused by the peptides affinity to mu opioid receptors.

Myelobia smerintha
This grub (actually a caterpillar or a moth) is said to be consumed by the Malali tribe in Brazil for entheogenic purposes. It is thought to be psychoactive via the cyanide derivatives in the bamboo it eats but it is more likely it creates its own chemical as most reports refer to the experience as psychedelic rather that narcotic (though some reports say it is narcotic in effect). More research is needed.


ARACHNIDS

Scorpionidae species
There are multiple reports of scorpion venom being used as a recreational drug in recent times. Scorpion venom contains peptides that could act as some opiate peptides in our bodies (such as endorphins). In an article on Popsci, they discuss research at Tel Aviv University using some species of scorpions venom as a safer alternative to morphine. In an Indian Department of Psychology paper they discuss an Indian heroin addict who let scorpions inject him with venom while withdrawing in prison. He described the sensation as more of a rush than street heroin. In yet another article about heroin addicts on TVNZ, they talk to a Pakistani man who dries their stingers and then smokes the venom. He says when he smokes scorpion, he forgets about heroin. The interesting part about this is that scorpion males will often sting females to get them in the mood, and they only mate during part of the year. He happens to only smoke the venom when the scorpions are "in season". Coincidence?


FISH

Mugilidae and Mullidae family species
Some mullet, goatfish and rabbitfish species have been found to cause 'hallucinatory mullet poisoning'. This is though to be because of indole tryptamines but this has not been proven or disproven. In the 1920's around 35 Japanese people ate Upeneus arge (a species from these families) and were delirious for a few days. Most did not like the effects, but some enjoyed them.

Siganus spinus
This fishes native name in English translates to "the fish that inebriates". It lives around Reunion Islands and it is unknown what causes its effects.

Takifugu and related genuses
Fugu fish are eaten in Japan and are famous for being deadly if prepared incorrectly. Fugu fish contain TTX which acts in a similar way to cocaine but is much more potent and deadly. The goal of preparing fugu is not to remove the drug, but to reduce its levels so it is enjoyable to the person eating it. There are lots of other species that contain TTX including some frogs, octopi etc (however fugu is the only species that contains TTX that has been used as a drug).

Urolophus jamaicensis
This stingrays venom is purported by some to have been used by Caribbean natives as an entheogen or intoxicant. It is unknown what the active chemical is, but it is likely a peptide.

Somniosus microcephalus
Greenland sharks contain trimethylamine oxidase in their flesh which converts to trimethylamine when eaten. This causes symptoms known as "shark sick" when dogs or people eat the meat non fermented. the symptoms are described as being very similar to high doses of alcohol.


AMPHIBIANS

(formerly) Bufo species (the Bufo toads that are psychoactive are now in the genus Rinella)
Colorado river toads contain 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin in their poison. The poison is dried and smoked. Bufo (outdated name), Hyla, Litoria and Rana genus contain bufotenin in their poison as well but no 5-MeO-DMT (or just trace amounts). All species poisons contain other toxins, some more than others.

Epipedobates tricolor
The phantasmal poison frog contains a powerful toxin epibatidine. It is 200x more potent than morphine (but effects mostly the nicotine receptors) and some analogues are being looked at in medicine. It has never been documented as being used recreationally.

Phyllomedusa species
Waxy monkey frogs contain the opiate peptides dermorphin and other deltorphins. This is known as kambo or sapo to some tribes in South America, and is applied subcutaneously (pressed into a burn). Phyllobates and Agalychnis genus also contain similar opioid peptides.

Salamandra salamandra
Fire salamanders have a unique and little known poison they secrete. For more than 200 years Czech and Romanian brandy distillers will make a salamander brandy by dripping high abv brandy over a live salamander. They will also add wormwood to the brandy, but say the salamander infused brandy is much different and more potent than the wormwood or brandy on their own.


REPTILES

Naja and Ophiophagus species
Cobra venom contains peptides similar to scorpion venom, but often more potent. Some Sadhus will smoke Naja naja venom mixed with hashish and datura flower for a more intense sacrament. The most potent snake wines used in Asian medicine contain cobra heads rather than other snake species. In Japan some people inject cobra venom to get a heroin like endorphin rush. In a vice documentary a man who injects multiple species of snake venom for medicinal purposes uses cobra venom specifically for energy.


MAMMALS

Rangifer tarandus
Reindeer will eat amanita muscaria and convert the ibotenic acid from the mushrooms into muscimol. Siberian natives will often drink human and reindeer urine to get these high concentrations of muscimol, and the reindeer urine is more valued than the actual mushrooms for increased potency with reduced side effects. I included reindeer as a producer because they convert the ibotenic acid and concentrate it in their urine so that there is a much higher concentration of muscimol than if you were to eat as many mushrooms as the deer ate. Some tribes even feed the mushrooms to a specific deer to collect its urine for a more enjoyable mushroom experience when they are plentiful.

Ursus arctos
Siberian brown bear will eat amanita mushrooms while they compete for mates. The natives say it makes them fearless. They will trap and kill the bear, eating it quickly to conserve the muscimol in its meat. I included the brown bear here for similar reasons as the reindeer, except there blood is not as concentrated like the urine, just converted. However they tend to eat a lot more mushrooms than the deer when they are in season so the amount of muscimol present in the blood and meat is of a similar concentration as the deer urine.



CONSUMERS
Consumers are animals that consume psychoactive chemicals and store them unchanged. As long as the chemical is retained in the flesh of the animal unchanged after it is finished digesting the material, it is a consumer.



INSECTS

Anthophila species
Bees collect the pollen and nectar of flowers and turn it into honey and royal jelly. Depending on the local flowers, some honey has been reported to contain lysergamides, tropane alkaloids, harmala alkaloids and cannabinoids from the flowers they visit. Honey is also the source of one of the first forms of alcohol used by humans, mead. Aztecs have been known to make xtabentun out of honey near rivea flowers, so that the brew contains alcohol and LSA. A tribe in Nepal even hunt out Himalayan giant bees for their intoxicating honey which is cause by the nectar from the rhodendrons the feed from.

Floria species
Some species of this moths caterpillars are immune to coca alkaloids, and lay their eggs on coca plants. The caterpillars hatch and eat the leaves, storing large amounts of cocaine and norcocaine in their bodies. Few animals can eat large amounts of cocaine and so the caterpillars are safe.

Manduca species
The hornworms are caterpillars of moths that live on plants in the genus solanacea (daturas and tobaccos). They eat the leaves of either daturas or tobaccos and store the alkaloids in their body as a defense. The alkaloid in tobacco hornworms is nicotine, and the alkaloids in other species include atropine, hyoscyamine and scopolamine as well as other tropanes.


FISH

Kyphosus genus
These fish are called dream fish and are related to fugus distantly. They are said to give nightmares in some cultures. It is unclear whether the toxins are produced by the fish themselves or by marine algae in their diet, but a dietary origin may be more likely.

Sarpa salpa
The salema porgy are said to have a LSD like effect when they have eaten certain algae. They have been used by ancient Romans as a hallucinogen and are called “the fish that make dreams” in Arabic. Its effects likely stem from an indole tryptamine.


MAMMALS

Giraffa camelopardalis
Giraffes eat acacia leaves in the wild, and acacias have been found to contain everything from tryptamines to phenethylamines to tropane alkaloids. A percentage of the chemicals they eat in the leaves is stored unaltered in their bone marrow (concentrated in their neck bones primarily). Tribes that hunt giraffe will eat this marrow and report having vivid dreams and other effects relating to the chemicals in acacia trees.



SPECIES THAT MAY BE PSYCHOACTIVE

wasp species (peptides) (including reports using paper wasps)
spider species (peptides) (including reports using black widow spiders)
Nephila clavata (NMDA antagonists)
Buzonium crassipes (buzonamine and other octahydroisoquinolines)
Glomeris marginata (quinazolinones)
Megacrania alpheus (actinidine)
Sclerobunus robustus (peptides)
Taricha genus newts (TTX)
Hapalochlaena genus octopi (TTX)
Carcinoscorpius genus crustaceans (TTX)
Sphex genus wasps (NMDA antagonists)
Staphylinidae species (actinidine)
Sparidae species (indole tryptamines)
Coninae species (peptides, NMDA antagonists, TTX)
Natricidae species (TTX)
Tetraodontiforme species (TTX)
Anura species (tryptamines and/or peptides)
Heliconius species who drink passiflora nectar exclusively (harmalines)
Central American duck species that eats datura (tropanes)
centipede species (possibly peptides)
venomous snakes (possibly peptides)
Abudefduf septemfasciatus (?)
Epinephelus species (?)
blue tailed skinks (?)
South American caterpillar species (?)
Madagascan millipedes (?)
Himalayan gecko species (?)
Oconenetl (?)


Anyone else heard of a specific family, genus or species that is psychoactive? Let me know!
Thanks :)


Also check out The Monkey Mantra's and Toltec's threads here on bluelight
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/411758-Wild-about-Animals
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/490591-Psychoactive-Animals
 
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I have heard about some of these before, but some of the others were new to me. I enjoyed reading your post! Great info....thanks a bunch. Going to researh this topic some more.
 
I have heard about some of these before, but some of the others were new to me. I enjoyed reading your post! Great info....thanks a bunch. Going to researh this topic some more.

np lemme know if you find anything :)
 
OMG some of those are just straight toxins not drugs...

alcohol? some rc stims? cigarettes?
a lot of drugs are super toxic
I agree with you on the poison dart frogs though, except some medical derivatives show abuse potential without killing you (though they will give you the shits)
 
alcohol? some rc stims? cigarettes?
a lot of drugs are super toxic
I agree with you on the poison dart frogs though, except some medical derivatives show abuse potential without killing you (though they will give you the shits)

Those dart frog, snake venom, scorpion and puffer fish/ttx are things that are literally impossible to know a dose to abuse without borderline and/or actually killing yourself...

Alcohol, RC stims, and cigarettes are not paralytic or blood toxins...

I would like to be able to go out for help if I was overdosing... Not lie on the floor completely out of control feeling my body shut down.
Just saying...8(
 
I would like to be able to go out for help if I was overdosing... Not lie on the floor completely out of control feeling my body shut down.
Just saying...8(

scorpion venom is safe, only 13 of 1500 plus species can kill (and most of those are due to allergies/sensitivities)
smoked or oral cobra venom is safe (as long as you don't have open cuts in GI/lungs) while allowing peptides to still be active
other than the fugu all the fish have no reported deaths
fugu from a licensed restaurant in japan is safe and apparently enjoyable
the tropane containing ones are just as safe as datura (you will be delirious for 24hrs but you most likely will not die)
other than the dart frog all the amphibs are safe (one salamander goes into a few litres of salamander brandy)

The only one that is truly dangerous no matter how you prepare it is the dart frog. Its poison is lipid soluble so just touching it can kill you. But then again no one has been stupid enough to get high on it... yet...

The one I listed as possibly psychoactive could all be potentially lethal, I cant comment on their safety. But other then them and the dart frog, with a bit of caution I think that you could consume these substances with not too much risk.
Should you? Probably not.
 
I'd be down to try some of this shit, being totally serious here. I would totally lick a toad if it became available. Can u get licking toads in the pet store? You can buy morning glories in the supermarket and they make you trip pretty hard if you take enough so I don't see why licking toads would be any different
 
I'd be down to try some of this shit, being totally serious here. I would totally lick a toad if it became available. Can u get licking toads in the pet store? You can buy morning glories in the supermarket and they make you trip pretty hard if you take enough so I don't see why licking toads would be any different

Licking is a good way to make you sick or even die if you lick multiple toads. I would suggest drying their poison and vaporising or smoking it. Do not save up the poison either or you have more of a chance to OD. Iv been told the easiest way to get the toads to release their poison is to put a cat or other predatory mammal in front of them (iv tried scaring or gently squeezing their glands, does not work on captive bred or toads that have become accustomed to humans). I have never personally tried anything on this list.
 
anyone heard of anything I missed? I don't need references just a rumor ill do the research
 
I saw a video of a Black Lemur eating a millipede which he became intoxicated off its poisons. You may want to look into it though it may be cyanide the millipede excretes. And when you say fire salamanders are you talking about the ones they used to sell in Wal-Marts?
 
Widow venom is in NO way recreational. Alpha-latrotoxin, the main neurotoxic peptide fraction acts as a releaser of acetylcholine, making it closer in end result, to a nerve agent intoxication. The mode of action is different, releasing ACh vs blocking its degradation once released into the synapse, but having experienced both, the only thing your going to get, lethal exposure aside, is feeling like you just had the everfucking bejeezis shit christ beaten out of you by an incandescently furious grizzly bear. On crack. With a sock full of broken bricks.

Latro bites hurt like all fuck, everything cramps, you cannot stop puking, despite your abdomen and chest being so rigidly stiff it feels like both just got a boiling concrete enema, banging headache, everything stiff. I was hardly able to walk after getting a nip off one of my pets, a brown widow female, normally a real gentle sweetie I'd trust to walk over my hand, was guarding egg sacks, the first time she laid she was placid still, but the second one, she got real pissy when I went in to do the necessaries in terms of maintenance and feeding, went straight over and chomped me pretty good. Next 3-4 days or so I wouldn't even roll over in bed unless it was to pop muscle relaxers and bang oxy.

Recreational? lol. Not even close.


Spanish fly? cantharidin is just an irritant and nephrotoxin, its alleged aphrodisiac effect is caused by its irritation of the genital tract, inducing stimulation of those organs. Not recreational, extremely poisonous.

As for scorpion venom, interesting. Although I'd dispute that only 13 species can prove lethal. Any buthid sting should be regarded as potentially dangerous, although of course some are more dangerous than others, its pretty much just the buthids that are really dangerous, bar a couple of species, in particular the species Hemiscorpius lepturus, a non-buthid is extremely dangerous, packing, unusually for a scorpion, which generally specialise in peptides that fuck with sodium channel gating and sometimes potassium channels, this one delivers a potent cytotoxic venom. Extremely dangerous species, in iran iirc. it causes something like 80% or thereabouts of fatal scorpion envenomations, contrast that with the fact that one of the other main dangerous species around there is fucking Androctonus crassicauda!

I would NOT like to get tagged by H.lepturus. I'll not post pics here, but google lookup-shows for instance, a guy with all the skin and subcutaneous tissue of his forearm burnt off after a sting by this lil bugger.
 
I work at a zoo that has buthids, tarantulas and widows as well as all the amphibs and reps and I would agree that I would not want to get invenomated by any... but all the animals I listed whether euphoric and safe or not had reports of things like enjoyable hallucinations etc.
 
I saw a video of a Black Lemur eating a millipede which he became intoxicated off its poisons. You may want to look into it though it may be cyanide the millipede excretes. And when you say fire salamanders are you talking about the ones they used to sell in Wal-Marts?

cool ill look for its and it quite likely the same species as they are common in the pet trade
 
Don't^

The fire salamander produces some pretty toxic steroidal alkaloids that act as convulsants and hypertensive agents.

If looking for them, don't attempt consumption of any secretions. And be prepared to host the pets for the long haul, they are, IIRC quite long lived. AFAIK the toxins are voltage gated sodium channel modulators.

I always thought salamanders and newts (for what difference there is between the two) looked cute as hell, especially fire salamanders, as to certain toads in the genus Atelopus, and TTX is also found in at least the eggs of one of the horseshoe crabs, Carcinoscorpius (monotypic genus), and to a degree seemingly the entire crab is toxic although it has been eaten, and as far as sealife goes its quite common, some polychaete worms of the nemertelline variety pack a heck of a punch in terms of body content of TTX and derivatives, and some use it as a venom, with an eversible proboscis, ala cone snails, as do the blue ringed octopi of the genus Hapalochlaena. Tiny, beautiful, but more than capable of killing humans via biting.

As tetrodotoxin-bearing pufferfish were mentioned, as an aside, also some newts produce it, newts of the genus Taricha, the red bellied newt, california newt and a couple of others, produce more than enough TTX to off someone.
 
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