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Using cannabis for insomnia - is it more powerful than, Melatonin/Chamomile/Valerian?

Mr. Krinkle

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So I sort of did this once by accident. Some time in high school, senior year, I'm waiting all night on my buddy to come through with the acid I had already paid for. He takes so long I figure I got fucked, so I took a melatonin to get ready to just pass out. Literally seconds after I swallowed that little fucking pill my cell phone rang.

I go out to meet my guy, he hands me my two hits and.... I fucking drop them on the ground. It's like 11pm, mind you, and my parents are still up and aware that I'm movin' around outside. My guy peels off, I can't find my hits.... so I went inside and got a flashlight. Came back out and after what felt like way too fucking long I found my two pink elephants. Popped 'em in my mouth right on the spot.

Went inside and laid down on the couch. Woke up at 4:39am and everything was blood red. Like a snapchat filter over my eyes. I looked around for a bit, came to the realization that I just wasted two hits of fucking acid, got a drink and went back to sleep.

It's really weird how vivid my memory is of that night.

Oh wow - so it kinda nullified it...but those things were like rolling around on the ground and shit too so theres a few variables here
 

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Analysis of the real content of Melatonin OTC formulations (which you can buy on amazon or pharmacy OTC) which are not regulated.

They look actually pretty accurately dosed on average.

I take 9mg a night. I think 6mg is probably better. I certainly have pretty vivid dreams (i also take 75mg of diphenhydramine and 4g of phenibut a night) 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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What, it seem's mysterious why my early experience's were like it would knock us out.

That was never replicated, when I take melatonine nothing happens. it used to, but never did that again. Was that due to the formulation or my constitution.

Absinthe as sleep medication, interesting. Last time, and only time, i had the real thing. Absinth. It wasn't that sedating, less then Ethanol.

Absinthe contains a GABA-A antagonist which would offset the ethanol (thus less sedating as you mentioned). In high school i gave a capsule full of wormwood oil to a friend of mine (i was too afraid to consume it myself). Should have had a good amount of thujone. Good thing he didn't have a seizure.
 

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Absinthe contains a GABA-A antagonist which would offset the ethanol (thus less sedating as you mentioned). In high school i gave a capsule full of wormwood oil to a friend of mine (i was too afraid to consume it myself). Should have had a good amount of thujone. Good thing he didn't have a seizure.
They do offer leftover remain's of the original. Absinth.

The one bottle that actually seemed like the real thing, did seem less sedating. That probably explain's it.

It also had marked influence on perception, seemed to enhance it. Which could have been placebo.
 

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Nano full spectrum CBD is very mood stabilizing, If you get some Absynthe with high wormwood content helps
Haha my friend made absinthe before with wormwood and everclear or grain alcohol.

I did not drink any but my friends that did got super drunk. I did smoke some wormwood, it is relaxing, sort of changes your perception like lots of pot or hash can but in a different way, and goes well with Indica pot.
 

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Oh wow - so it kinda nullified it...but those things were like rolling around on the ground and shit too so theres a few variables here
I actually found them right on my driveway, within inches of each other in the same crack in the cement. Thing was, that spot was like 8 feet away from where I dropped it so it took a while for me to expand my search in desperation.

I think the main thing was that I fell asleep and woke up on a come-down. Shit was... strange when I woke up. Blood red, vision blurry, depth perception all funky. I remember just laying there on the couch and staring up at the patterns on the ceiling before falling back to sleep. Fuckers were like upside-down mountain ranges, it was pretty cool.

But other than that, yeah, I wouldn't really recommend.
 

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Haha my friend made absinthe before with wormwood and everclear or grain alcohol.

I did not drink any but my friends that did got super drunk. I did smoke some wormwood, it is relaxing, sort of changes your perception like lots of pot or hash can but in a different way, and goes well with Indica pot.
As my first experience was in my younger year's. It was when I didn't consume Alcohol as a drug.

In the case of Absentha it was a mere carrier, of 68% proof. Which would undoubtedly would make me drunk as fuck. but i kept it two glasses max.

Saying that while in a taper is a bit of ironic. I am truly addicted to ethanol, worse then any drug i ever got addicted. and certainly way less rewarding.

weird that in my country sedating anti- Histamine's are not OTC. Prescription only. Not that they would be useful for me, way past the point these drug's put me out. At least if i gouge the effect Mirtazepine has on me no, none.
 
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As my first experience was in my younger year's. It was when I didn't consume Alcohol as a drug.

In the case of Absentha it was a mere carrier, of 68% proof. Which would undoubtedly would make me drunk as fuck. but i kept it two glasses max.

Saying that while in a taper is a bit of ironic. I am truly addicted to ethanol, worse then any drug i ever got addicted. and certainly way less rewarding.

weird that in my country sedating anti- Histamine's are not OTC. Prescription only. Not that they would be useful for me, way past the point these drug's put me out. At least if i gouge the effect Mirtazepine has on me no, none.
So you cannot get any antihistamines? I take Cetirizine for pollen allergies, and it can help me sleep or stay asleep.

I have taken Fexofenadine for pollen allergies and it sort of does the same thing.
 

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weird that in my country sedating anti- Histamine's are not OTC. Prescription only. Not that they would be useful for me, way past the point these drug's put me out. At least if i gouge the effect Mirtazepine has on me no, none.

Mirtazapine rarely fails to provide a good nights' sleep. 60mg is my nightly dose, taken around 7:45-8:00pm.

Works really well for depression too, but that's not as good as it used to be, probably because I don't exercise as much as I used to, and I need to get back into a decent routine. Might need to order an Echo stationary bike from Rougue. Might help get me out of this rut of negativity.
 

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I think it can help for sure, depending on the strain. Sometimes cannabis is more activating for me. Usually though if I smoke enough of it I'll get tired.
 

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The possibilities of using cannabis as a sleeping pill have been studied for a long time - doctors themselves would be happy to replace potent drugs with more gentle drugs, but nature ordered otherwise. I started ordering cannabis from one website, it helps me just to relax before bed. During REM sleep, while we dream, the brain installs updates and puts the impressions of the day on the shelves of long-term memory. As a result, the nervous system does not have time to recover and begins to malfunction. If you are over 40, you can use these herbs and oils as sleeping pills, but not on a regular basis.
My memory has gone to pot since vaping myself to sleep every night :oops:

REM sleep is adversely affected by being stoned so you're getting more sleep and possibly more REM, but that's not a given.
 

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Considering medical cannabis for improving sleep quality is an effective option to deal with, but essentially it requires medical professional’s advice. Not everyone will experience the exact impact of cannabis consumption, and self-medicating the medical marijuana treatment can increase the risk factors. You need to contact a medical doctor and discuss the need to access the treatment.
Sure who needs a doctor when we got Google, right? 🤣🤣🤣
 

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Every patient reacts differently, so some find that prescription sleeping pills end up working better than marijuana. But if you are not currently being treated for insomnia, or if the current treatment isn't working for you, you may want to try cannabis. If in doubt, you should always consult your doctor first. I use this in addition to marijuana - https://www.tillmanstranquils.com/product/cbd-gummies-1500mg-melatonin/ It has helped me and a friend of mine a lot. Unlike many sleeping pills, marijuana for insomnia is safe for long-term use. And even with long-term use, marijuana is still much less likely to be addictive.
 
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I use cannabis nightly but it does not help my sleep. It makes it harder for me to fall asleep.

It might make it easier to stay asleep though, that is unclear however. I find all forms of cannabis stimulating.
 

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I too find cannabis far to stimulating to use as a sleep aid. I need a solid 4-5hrs after smoking before I can sleep (much longer with edibles). See last night: smoke at 7pm and forced myself to sleep sometime shortly after 12 am (a few hrs after my normal bed time)

For me melatonin and magnesium bisglycinate 30-60min before bed are heaps more conducive to help me sleep
 

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Depends on the strain too. White widow allows me ten hours sleep and I wake up happy. Last night I had Critical CBD which is higher in THC despite the name. Couldn't sleep, wide awake, eventually slept 7 hours which is not as much as usual and I'd some blue lotus concentrate to try too, didnt notice anything from that at all, very hard to fathom why blue lotus is illegal in the UK when it does shit all.
 
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I find weed (and CBD) weirdly stimulating at higher dosages and my mind is racing fast af. Lower dosages help better, especially if you're not used to things like benzos.
 
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